Hello.

Here is a Zenith S58 that raises some questions.
As you can see, the dial has several unusual signs :
- indexes are thiner and longer,
- the star is missing above the ZENITH logo,
- the date window seems smaller than on other known ones and doesn't have the usual gilt frame.

At the same time, typography seems OK, the radium shows usual signs of age and everything else seem to be correct. The movement is a cal. 71 (= cal. 133-8 + date function) with 4,9M serial number.

Is there any expert to help ? LouS for example ? Thanks a lot !




Here is another one (source : http://www.relojes-especiales.com/foros/divers-relojes-de-buceo/zenith-s-58-vintage-diver-275395/) :

 

Comparing lume of dial and hands, I am not sure hands were born with the watch as the lume on he dial is very dark compared to the one on hands...
For the rest, I don't know what to think about the point you raised...
It is maybe just a feeling but I find the dial very glossy and the wording very "white" compared to the second one you show
Waiting for more knowledgeable people...

 

I don't have Lou's experience, but I'd say that it is probably a (decent) redial.

The hands, case and bezel look good.

 

Has anybody seen a Cal 71 in an S58?

I have seen the original Cal 120 and the 133.8 without dates but the only ones I have seen with dates have been Cal 2542 PC.

 

My opinion is that I'm just going to go ahead and dibs this one. Are you buying it?

 

Would love to see the case back. Is there an S.58 inscription on the back?

Well, there's this post from 2007. Photos have unfortunately disappeared but it describes an identical watch... possibly the same watch, I suppose.

http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?6650-Newly-Arrived-Zenith-S-58

Mostly just my gut. Can't imagine a redial that good on a watch of such relatively low value. And how do you fake a case and bakelite bezel and pop a cal 71 in there? Highly improbable to be a fake.
If there's an S.58 inscription on the back, I want it.

 

I'd bet that it was lost during the redial process.

 

You guys are right. I'll expect a steep discount when I buy this watch.

 

No comment.

 

No case number. The caseback is properly showing "S.58"...

 

I just bought it but I'm having a gentlemen's conversation with the seller...

 

Congrats! Well dibs then.

 

Sorry for my poor English : what is "dibs" ?

 

Your English is perfectly acceptable.

What you may not be familiar with is the British/American/Australian (etc) way of indicating that the "Dibser" would like first opportunity to purchase the relevant watch should you decide to sell it or move t on.

In this case, you are bound by the unwritten rule of "Internet Gentlemen on Omega Forums" that you offer @MMMD first opportunity to buy if things go that way.

 

And to continue with the lesson, should the original owner sell to someone else instead, there is something called a "civil suit"...