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Zenith Aircraft Carrier Clock - the Cairelli Roulette

  1. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Aug 22, 2018

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    We cracked the Film Compax. Here's the next unsolved mystery for the forum sleuths - a Cairelli Otto Giorni with a surround of multicolor chips, which are mounted so as to be easily removable, held in place with a little spring-loaded knuckle.

    Roessler (page 297) has this as a clock from an aircraft carrier (of which there were two in the Regia Marina in the time to which he dates the clock 1941-1950, neither ever finished), with the chips being used to denote presence or absence of airplanes. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me - why would the presence or absence of planes have to be marked against a clock? He also notes that these were found in bombers. Why? Presence or absence of bombs?:confused:

    So, let the games begin - who knows the purpose of the multicolored chips?
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  2. Darlinboy Pratts! Will I B******S!!! Aug 22, 2018

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    No clue, but now I want one. :confused:
     
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  3. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Aug 22, 2018

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    CAP timers?
     
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  4. CaptainWinsor Aug 22, 2018

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    Gelato flavors?
     
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  5. CaptainWinsor Aug 22, 2018

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    If these were on ships could they be watch shifts by bridge officers.
     
  6. ClarendonVintage Aug 22, 2018

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    A guess: the colours denote certain types/models of aircrafts which are scheduled to land on the aircraft at different slots of the day. I assume aircrafts must be scheduled at different times, very much like booking airspaces and landing rights at an airport.

    Also, those are some beautiful hands and numerals.
     
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  7. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Aug 22, 2018

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    I thought something like that too. It just seems a very cumbersome way to do it when, you know, the clock is right there.

    The chips seem eminently misplace-able (and of all of the examples of this clock that I have seen in the last decade, this is the only one that I have ever seen with a full complement of chips), so I am imagining some type of system in which they are placed somewhere else - a deck diagram perhaps, or something similar.

    I am waiting for the OF member who has some exposure to managing a flight deck to open this thread....
     
  8. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Aug 22, 2018

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    A sort of daily scheduler? Maybe in a ready room so the CAP crews know when they have to fly. Removable chips to re-schedule for crew rotation?
     
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  9. michael22 Aug 22, 2018

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    The chips are in coloured pairs. Each group of planes can stay in the air a certain time. So, one chip for take-off time, the second chip is then placed in the slot denoting last time they can return. Wouldn't want all planes returning at once.
     
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  10. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Aug 22, 2018

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    Also used in bombers (maybe)?

    Could be a frequency timer to change frequency for comms (same principle as a radio room watch clock).
     
  11. The Father Went out for smokes in ‘78 not seen since Aug 22, 2018

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    Standard watch on naval ships is 4 hours. 6 different colored chips so 24 hours. Saw this aboard the Marine taxis or more commonly known as Navy ships.
     
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  12. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Aug 22, 2018

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    They don't have dog watches?

    Oh, and a pic for you :D

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  13. CaptainWinsor Aug 22, 2018

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    I think it has something to do with the Watch for bridge crews. Maybe each officer had a color that let everyone know his watch time
     
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  14. The Father Went out for smokes in ‘78 not seen since Aug 22, 2018

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    Probably true, a naval officer would need a colored chip to tell him what to do at certain times. Not that there is anything wrong with naval officers. Some of my best friends were naval officers.
     
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  15. CaptainWinsor Aug 22, 2018

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    This of course does not apply to space ships ie Star Trek where the bridge crew never leaves
     
  16. The Father Went out for smokes in ‘78 not seen since Aug 22, 2018

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    Klingons and robots never need sleep. Kirk needed sleep because he was always banging nurse Chapel

    Need to post a customary watch picture to make this above board
     
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  17. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Aug 22, 2018

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    Perhaps used to match marker lights on planes by time of day? A Friend or foe signal?
     
  18. river rat Aug 23, 2018

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    The Italians stole a idea from the RAF but used at sea even the US Airforce in WW2 had a version in England. One thing concentrating mainly on military I seen a lot of stuff first time for this for the Italians
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    Here is another Italian Navy clock in my collection not Zenith but a Lemania they were all ways odd.
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  19. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Aug 23, 2018

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    I did consider the traditional sector clock, but the doubling up of the coloured chips made me re-think that theory.

    Nice Lemania BTW ::love::.
     
  20. river rat Aug 23, 2018

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    Maybe the Italians did it in 10 minute intervals instead of 5 minutes intervals. Here is the US WW2 version. The color plates can be removed from the photo's so maybe through the years they were moved around so now in the wrong position and not in 5 minutes intervals.
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/...0042/lot-ede798c1-f3fd-4f35-9845-a48700abef77
    These Seth Thomas sector clocks are more rare than the RAF ones but that Italian one got them both beat in rarity.
     
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