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  1. MaiLollo Apr 5, 2017

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    All right people, help me not to waste my hard-earned money on a bad Speedy !
    So, we have here a 105.003-63. All right. Wrong chrono hand, no biggie. Wrong pushers I believe, no biggie.
    But, I have 2 questions:
    It's a 19.58mill movement (speed101 classifies this as a 61/62 cased movement) and what looks either like an A6 dial (no close-T and high Swiss).
    If you take the serial number together with the dial, they make sense. However, they shouldn't be in a 105.003, should they?
    The guy says the Lume is original&radium, but I have no way to check it from a distance, and I never believe sellers :)
    Do you guys think this is a franken or is it something that could have been born like this and has lost a couple of minor parts (pushers, chrono hand) during service ?
    The DON looks amazing though
    I already have an Ed White so I can live without this one, but if consensus is that the piece is good than I might make a move.

    Thanks in advance guys !
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  2. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Apr 5, 2017

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    Everything points to a 105.002 but the caseback states 105.003...

    Yeah that's a tuff call.
     
  3. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Apr 5, 2017

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    I could almost buy it for a -63, but I want hulluva better pics of the lume..
     
  4. ConElPueblo Apr 5, 2017

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    I would like to not have the seller place the movement on a rug, for Christ sake... ::facepalm2::
     
  5. cristos71 Apr 5, 2017

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    A rug that looks like a forensic scientists fantasy at that :eek:
     
  6. ewand Apr 5, 2017

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    yeah, if pube capture is your thing, then that kind of felt seems to be the rug to have...
     
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  7. eugeneandresson 'I used a hammer, a chisel, and my fingers' Apr 5, 2017

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    From watches to pube capture...I love OF :D
     
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  8. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Apr 5, 2017

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    "The guy says the Lume is original&radium, but I have no way to check it from a distance"

    If the dial is radium, it probably not originally from a 105.002-62 or 105.003.-63. Probably from a 2998-61 or earlier.
     
  9. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 5, 2017

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    Perhaps a seamaster movement
     
  10. MaiLollo Apr 5, 2017

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    Wow, why a seamaster movement? I thought the movement/dial combo looked coherent...
    Well, if consensus is that it is a PoS, ill pass :)
    It's true that you can't really know how honest a piece is once it has more than one dubious part
     
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  11. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Apr 5, 2017

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    It all depends upon the price to offset the risk. All of these parts are in demand. Regarding the movement number, a 1958xxxx can be either a 2998-61, 62 or a 105.002-62 original movement. It can also be from a Seamaster 2907 :(
     
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  12. Davidt Apr 5, 2017

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    I'm not a fan of the dark areas around the lume. I've seen this on several watches which have been relumed. Possibly when a low viscosity compound is applied and it iver runs the markers slightly before being cleaned off?
     
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  13. MaiLollo Apr 6, 2017

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    That's exactly what I was "afraid of" when I saw the picture, it's the reason I've posted it as well.
    I thought about the possibility of it being a 62 without the chapter ring, and that was fitted a 62 caseback, but then it would be more Frankenstein than the original movie... Let's say it's a sum of nice parts :)
    The price is not interesting enough to take a gamble on a movement that could be from a different model (9k€)
     
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  14. OmegaCal66 Apr 6, 2017

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    yes save your hard earned money
     
  15. nalexi Apr 7, 2017

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    I also seen that watch on an italian site. For me goes for sure as a franken watch. The seller knows that, but his selling it like a total authentic watch. The watch is a mixt from remaining(taken) parts from other watches.
     
  16. MaiLollo Apr 7, 2017

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    Yes, I've decided it's really not worth the expense. I've bought a Zenith A3630 instead, picking it up tonight, it will calm down the itch for a little while :)