Wish I would have took more photos

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Understood, I totally get it. I was just making a point about the bezel, and potentially the credibility of the seller.
I agree, you'd think someone with these timepieces would know if insert was authentic and original. It is obvious he doesn't know the value of these models assuming all are what they appear to be and I've never seen a faked 6542 with depth rating. It can be hard to tell from photos alone, it would be nice to have in hand, especially considering what these watches are worth.
 
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Super unfortunate my hopes and dreams of owning that submariner were thrown Out the window today. seems he may have done some research? I think we’ll be seeing the watches for sale at Christie’s or some other auction house’s here soon. I asked to buy the sub for the $26,000k he wanted today but now he’s saying he’s not trying to sell privately anymore. I should’ve jumped on it the moment he offered his first price it’s what you get when you don’t react quick enough.
 
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I understand you feel you missed an opportunity and considering it seems at the time the watch was offered to you that both you and the seller knew the watches were valuable, just not how valuable. If you had taken his first offer, I don’t see the dilemma that someone who truly knew the value would face.

I’m just surprised that the seller hadn’t done his research considering anyone with at least 4 watches, 3 of which are Rolex models, is not a hobbyist or collector.

Your great deal is out there.
 
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Yeah, it’s a shame but not going to let it get me down. I thought it was kind of weird. He said he had box and papers for all three yet he was dead set on his GMT being a 1959 at first maybe he’d forgotten? I don’t know for sure, your right though it’s out there just got to find it. Thanks for your an everyone else’s knowledge and input on the matter. Stay safe and healthy everyone cheers!
 
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Super unfortunate my hopes and dreams of owning that submariner were thrown Out the window today. seems he may have done some research? I think we’ll be seeing the watches for sale at Christie’s or some other auction house’s here soon. I asked to buy the sub for the $26,000k he wanted today but now he’s saying he’s not trying to sell privately anymore. I should’ve jumped on it the moment he offered his first price it’s what you get when you don’t react quick enough.
Sorry to hear that and thanks for updating us on the outcome. How did you hear about his Universal Geneve in the first place?
 
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Has anyone actually blown up the pictures and looked closely? The watches are fake/redone. Apart from the obviously wrong bezels, the turn-o-graph dial is clearly repainted - the lacquer is uneven and thick near the lume plots, which themselves are shoddily applied, and the writing is not recessed nor the correct font. Also, the metal parts of the hands are too thick and not original. The GMT fonts on the lower half of the dial are all different than the original 6542s with the depth rating, the minute hand the wrong length, and the hour hand is curved, which is not appropriate for the 50s. Pretty easy to find similar fakes through a simple google search: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/vintage-watches/6829679-rolex-6542-gmt-red-depth-rating (@Marsimaxam - that's where the picture you put up came from so not sure how you could have "never seen a faked 6542 with depth rating"). @Dan S -- your spidey sense is working fine. The 1665 is too blurry to tell what it is but the lume plots look domed, which is also seen with fakes, and the crown/case dimensions look off.

These are what original ones look like.


Stay away from this guy.
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Has anyone actually blown up the pictures and looked closely? The watches are fake/redone. Apart from the obviously wrong bezels, the turn-o-graph dial is clearly repainted - the lacquer is uneven and thick near the lume plots, which themselves are shoddily applied, and the writing is not recessed nor the correct font. Also, the metal parts of the hands are too thick and not original. The GMT fonts on the lower half of the dial are all different than the original 6542s with the depth rating, the minute hand the wrong length, and the hour hand is curved, which is not appropriate for the 50s. Pretty easy to find similar fakes through a simple google search: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/vintage-watches/6829679-rolex-6542-gmt-red-depth-rating (@Marsimaxam - that's where the picture you put up came from so not sure how you could have "never seen a faked 6542 with depth rating"). @Dan S -- your spidey sense is working fine. The 1665 is too blurry to tell what it is but the lume plots look domed, which is also seen with fakes, and the crown/case dimensions look off.

These are what original ones look like.


Stay away from this guy.
Sometimes it’s just too good to be true!
 
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Has anyone actually blown up the pictures and looked closely? The watches are fake/redone. Apart from the obviously wrong bezels, the turn-o-graph dial is clearly repainted - the lacquer is uneven and thick near the lume plots, which themselves are shoddily applied, and the writing is not recessed nor the correct font. Also, the metal parts of the hands are too thick and not original. The GMT fonts on the lower half of the dial are all different than the original 6542s with the depth rating, the minute hand the wrong length, and the hour hand is curved, which is not appropriate for the 50s. Pretty easy to find similar fakes through a simple google search: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/vintage-watches/6829679-rolex-6542-gmt-red-depth-rating (@Marsimaxam - that's where the picture you put up came from so not sure how you could have "never seen a faked 6542 with depth rating"). @Dan S -- your spidey sense is working fine. The 1665 is too blurry to tell what it is but the lume plots look domed, which is also seen with fakes, and the crown/case dimensions look off.

These are what original ones look like.


Stay away from this guy.
I'm impressed with your information. I copied and pasted the image, never went to the site and didn't realize it came from a replica website. I guess, now, I can say I've seen a fake. Had me fooled... you are saying two of three are fakes and one is a bad redone dial. I would love to see these watches in person. Obviously, if he does go to an auction house, wouldn't go well for seller. But, one question, if the seller knows they are fakes, curious why he didn't accept the offer of 40K from Kay?
 
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Those are some beat ass fake vintage Rolex.

Here my 1 owner 6542


And here is my real DRSD
 
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I'm impressed with your information. I copied and pasted the image, never went to the site and didn't realize it came from a replica website. I guess, now, I can say I've seen a fake. Had me fooled... you are saying two of three are fakes and one is a bad redone dial. I would love to see these watches in person. Obviously, if he does go to an auction house, wouldn't go well for seller. But, one question, if the seller knows they are fakes, curious why he didn't accept the offer of 40K from Kay?

Maybe he was duped and didn’t know.
 
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Has anyone actually blown up the pictures and looked closely? The watches are fake/redone. Apart from the obviously wrong bezels, the turn-o-graph dial is clearly repainted - the lacquer is uneven and thick near the lume plots, which themselves are shoddily applied, and the writing is not recessed nor the correct font. Also, the metal parts of the hands are too thick and not original. The GMT fonts on the lower half of the dial are all different than the original 6542s with the depth rating, the minute hand the wrong length, and the hour hand is curved, which is not appropriate for the 50s. Pretty easy to find similar fakes through a simple google search: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/vintage-watches/6829679-rolex-6542-gmt-red-depth-rating (@Marsimaxam - that's where the picture you put up came from so not sure how you could have "never seen a faked 6542 with depth rating"). @Dan S -- your spidey sense is working fine. The 1665 is too blurry to tell what it is but the lume plots look domed, which is also seen with fakes, and the crown/case dimensions look off.

These are what original ones look like.


Stay away from this guy.
I was looking at the picture of the 6542 in question, I can see the short minute hand, and curved hour hand, the font not quite right, but what is amazing, it looks like there is corrosion on the hands and missing some luminous material. Is this possible? Do they now make fakes with wear and tear? I'd really like to see those watches in person. But, I trust your judgement. All, I know is a 6542 with depth rating on the dial is very rare as they were only manufactured during the first run of the watches. I haven't seen a PanAm 6542 or a depth rating in person.
 
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I was looking at the picture of the 6542 in question, I can see the short minute hand, and curved hour hand, the font not quite right, but what is amazing, it looks like there is corrosion on the hands and missing some luminous material. Is this possible? Do they now make fakes with wear and tear? I'd really like to see those watches in person. But, I trust your judgement. All, I know is a 6542 with depth rating on the dial is very rare as they were only manufactured during the first run of the watches. I haven't seen a PanAm 6542 or a depth rating in person.
They can replicate, age, match color, black light glow, Geiger readings...

Those were the crappy variety.
 
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They can replicate, age, match color, black light glow, Geiger readings...

Those were the crappy variety.
When you hear stories like this it gives you a bit more security when buying from a dealer.
 
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When you hear stories like this it gives you a bit more security when buying from a dealer.

Maybe. But when you run into a 100% authentic deal from a private seller, it's often pretty obvious.
 
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When you hear stories like this it gives you a bit more security when buying from a dealer.
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Why didn’t he accept the offer then is my question? Probably cause I know his where a bouts and would have called the police right after seeing all these posts. I thought they where the real deal Although I don’t know a lot about vintage Rolex. The vintage UG I got was 100% real. Maybe the Rolex is redials/aftermarket? Never mind just looked at the website. Makes me sick and kinda sad never in a million year did I think I’d see the real thing but turns out never in a million years will I see the real thing.
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