Why do some sellers insist on censoring the serial numbers on vintage watches?

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One could easily make the case that exposing the serial number makes fraud less likely. Anyone researching a piece for purchase can more easily establish the chain of ownership, investigate the reliability of the now seller/former buyer, and smell out a fraud, say, if the watch changed hands between two European buyers and is now on sale from Colombia.
 
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One could easily make the case that exposing the serial number makes fraud less likely. Anyone researching a piece for purchase can more easily establish the chain of ownership, investigate the reliability of the now seller/former buyer, and smell out a fraud, say, if the watch changed hands between two European buyers and is now on sale from Colombia.

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One could easily make the case that exposing the serial number makes fraud less likely. Anyone researching a piece for purchase can more easily establish the chain of ownership, investigate the reliability of the now seller/former buyer, and smell out a fraud, say, if the watch changed hands between two European buyers and is now on sale from Colombia.

Or one could make the case that the serial number is a unique identifier that is exclusive to that watch much like your drivers license or social security number is unique to you. Some don't make a habit of sharing those numbers either 😀
Some of our watches are worth small fortunes...why would we want to share it?
 
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Such a divisive issue. 😲

Please, in the interests of fellowship and comity...



Just agree with me and move on. ::stirthepot::
 
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Or one could make the case that the serial number is a unique identifier that is exclusive to that watch much like your drivers license or social security number is unique to you. Some don't make a habit of sharing those numbers either 😀
Some of our watches are worth small fortunes...why would we want to share it?

Alright - Can you make the case of how a serial number on a vintage watch is much like your social security number (and by association, worthy of blanket privacy)?



 
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do you post your vehicles VIN number publicly too?

That's a funny example (assuming you were trying to support the serial number non-posting position). The answer is usually "yes." Check ebay car listings. You'll see the VIN is an integral part of the listing.
 
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Ok, taking vintage aside for a second. With random serials it is relevant. Also some serials are directly attaches to a certain physical aspect of the watch. Not all rolex 16710 where Pepsi . Rolex actually will only sell you a Pepsi bezel if they determine your specific serial or reference had it.

In truth few people know where or how to check a serial once they have it. Not everyone has @Archer to help.

I just don't like making it easy for someone to attach one of my serials to a fraudulent post or fake watch. You want the serial, ask me, provided I have a direct email or number I'll give it to you. Is it an extra step maybe, but a sale takes a few back and forth emails or calls anyway so it really doesn't delay much. Nor does it make it any faster to post it.
 
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Ok, taking vintage aside for a second. With random serials it is relevant. Also some serials are directly attaches to a certain physical aspect of the watch. Not all rolex 16710 where Pepsi . Rolex actually will only sell you a Pepsi bezel if they determine your specific serial or reference had it.

In truth few people know where or how to check a serial once they have it. Not everyone has @Archer to help.

I just don't like making it easy for someone to attach one of my serials to a fraudulent post or fake watch. You want the serial, ask me, provided I have a direct email or number I'll give it to you. Is it an extra step maybe, but a sale takes a few back and forth emails or calls anyway so it really doesn't delay much. Nor does it make it any faster to post it.

But I or anybody else could go online and find hundreds of authentic serial numbers with a click of a button.

If somebody is going to want a serial number for a particular reference, I don't see what good a few collectors can do in keeping their discretion. That would only work if all the millions of Rolex wearers felt the same. Otherwise, it's powerless, no?
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But I or anybody else could go online and find hundreds of authentic serial numbers with a clock of a button.

If somebody is gong to want a serial number for a particular reference, I don't see what good a few collectors can do in keeping their discretion. That would only work if all the millions of Rolex wearers felt the same. Otherwise, it's powerless, no?

Sure, but I can only worry about my bit. The fact that millions of other people don't do the right thing doesn't mean I have to give up or follow suit. It is not that much more work for me, and at least I know I'm not part of that chain.

Also, in the event that I want to sell one of my watches at least I know I won't be competing with another watch with the same serial. I only have a couple of watches where that is really relevant. the 5512, the 1675 and the JLC and then to a lesser extent the IWC Laureus and the Zenith De Luca and the 16710. I have a daytona random serial but that is such a modern model that it's not that important.
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Sure, but I can only worry about my bit. The fact that millions of other people don't do the right thing doesn't mean I have to give up or follow suit. It is not that much more work for me, and at least I know I'm not part of that chain.

Alright, I can see your point of view. It's more of a noble gesture than a practically useful act and that makes sense.
 
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Alright, I can see your point of view. It's more of a noble gesture than a practically useful act and that makes sense.
Yeah, I suppose you're right
 
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Or someone can place that serial on a fake...

I block out the VIN number on my car's dash so no one can use it on a fake VW.
 
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My best guess is because a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, someone placed a for sale ad on Ebay or some random watch site and unbeknownst to the seller, the watch was hot property and it was seized.

Apropos of, I recently recall reading a Q&A with the cooking guy Alton Brown where he claimed that he was able to track down his dad or his grandpa's stolen watch.

He wound up re-purchasing the watch. In theory, the watch could have been seized if Mr. Browns paperwork was in order...

In the US, all licensed pawn shops must check and enter any item with a unique serial number into a national database.
 
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Alright, I can see your point of view. It's more of a noble gesture than a practically useful act and that makes sense.

APROPOS OF NOTHING, I'm going to start working on that Gallet Decimal which I purchased from you a couple of years ago. Do you remember the watch?



The movement is sticky but otherwise perfect. It's going to clean up nicely. Really nicely.


The case is a solid 10. My unique definition of a 10 = unpolished / never polished and this case has never even seen so much as a paper towel and some windex. lol PSYCHED!!!!

The dial is an 8.5 ...as with almost all EP "H" cases, the seal failed @ 5pm and there's a tiny bit of crazing but not much. I'm a tough grader of dials and never give 9's or a 10.

If you can believe it, the crystal is original! there are no deep marks but I'm not sure I can use it - but we'll see

I'll post befores and afters - wish me luck
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