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White gold pie pan, how much are they really worth?

reggie_v
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Following on from the how much is a pie pan worth thread this really caught my eye.

https://watchesoflancashire.com/product/1964-18ct-white-goldomega-constellation-pie-pan-168-005-6/

Noticed watches of Lancashire have dropped their asking price from £18,000 to £14,000.

I still couldn’t bring myself to pay that much for one of these.

Out of interest how much would we all pay for a white gold pie pan? Given yellow gold ones seem to sell for about 4-6k in the uk depending on the model. I understand the rarity of the white gold would put it up. But not that much?

Interested to hear members opinions on this!

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lenndon
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I was not even aware that white gold pie pans existed. Now I am intrigued..
Guess wouldn't be worth more than 5-6k for me anyways, so I might never get my hands on one.
 
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lenndon lenndon
I was not even aware that white gold pie pans existed. Now I am intrigued..
Guess wouldn't be worth more than 5-6k for me anyways, so I might never get my hands on one.

Given white gold c case constellations can sell for around 6-7k gbp or 10-12k gbp on white gold bracelet I just can’t see how a white gold pie pan is 14k on a leather strap.

Interesting to hear you input on this, I think I’d go to 8k for one just given the rarity!
 
Peemacgee
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Other than C cases, white gold constellations are really quite uncommon and command a huge premium over yellow/pink gold versions.
£18,000 was a bit optimistic but given the high gold price £14,000 is only a bit of a hike on previous prices.
 
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reggie_v reggie_v
Given white gold c case constellations can sell for around 6-7k gbp or 10-12k gbp on white gold bracelet I just can’t see how a white gold pie pan is 14k on a leather strap.

Interesting to hear you input on this, I think I’d go to 8k for one just given the rarity!
I haven’t looked recently but a white gold constellation c case shouldn’t be anywhere near £6-7k as they are relatively common and historically only command a small premium over a yellow gold c case ( which is always notably less than their solid gold counterpart constellations. )
 
reggie_v
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
I haven’t looked recently but a white gold constellation c case shouldn’t be anywhere near £6-7k as they are relatively common and historically only command a small premium over a yellow gold c case ( which is always notably less than their solid gold counterpart constellations. )

This is based on once for sale on chrono 24 a couple of months ago. Funnily enough I didn’t think it was that bad! Haha. It was in pristine condition mind you
 
reggie_v
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
Other than C cases, white gold constellations are really quite uncommon and command a huge premium over yellow/pink gold versions.
£18,000 was a bit optimistic but given the high gold price £14,000 is only a bit of a hike on previous prices.

Blimey! That’s bonkers. What the general sort of sale price on these from the last few years then? Quite right, gold price certainly pushing values up. Only thing I wonder is how hard it would be to sell one of these. Constellation deluxe in yellow gold I see always seems to have high demand and shifts somewhat quickly. I’d imagine it’d take a long time to find a buyer for an 18k white gold pie pan. One due to the price 2 due to the fact it looks like steel ! That would be my assumption anyway.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d certainly buy one if I had the funds!
 
Peemacgee
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If you trawl OF threads, you will find a small number of threads discussing white gold constellations.
IIRC there are some startlingly high asking and sales prices achieved.
Because they are so uncommon.
(Other than c cases)
 
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reggie_v reggie_v
This is based on once for sale on chrono 24 a couple of months ago. Funnily enough I didn’t think it was that bad! Haha. It was in pristine condition mind you
I’m not sure chronometer 24 is a good measure for the market value of a particular watch - they are often optimistic asking prices - unless it is a very special watch.
 
reggie_v
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
If you trawl OF threads, you will find a small number of threads discussing white gold constellations.
IIRC there are some startlingly high asking and sales prices achieved.
Because they are so uncommon.
(Other than c cases)

Thanks for the info 👍🏻😃 I’ll have a look through
 
hugh162
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Given how rare these are, maybe the right collector (who really likes white gold) will pay that much. The market for these is probably very thin and hard to say what it’s worth today, so I don’t fault the dealer for trying.
 
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These white gold Constellations were special order or presentation pieces only. I’ve seen a few with diamond dials and Sheik’s pictures. It’s been years (or maybe never) since I’ve seen one with a standard onyx marker dial.

These are scarce enough that an advanced collector who didn’t have one might pay that kind of money. But those guys are just as scarce as this watch.

I think the fact that it has been for sale for a long time and the seller has dropped the price tells me a couple of things:

1. That most if not all of the advanced collectors have an example, so are not necessarily interested in this watch at the price asked.

2. The people who really know have already discussed this amongst themselves outside of this forum and possibly have come to the conclusion that maybe this watch isn’t what it seems to be. 😉

Regular pie-pan Constellations are enough of a minefield already.
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reggie_v
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
These white gold Constellations were special order or presentation pieces only. I’ve seen a few with diamond dials and Sheik’s pictures. It’s been years (or maybe never) since I’ve seen one with a standard onyx marker dial.

These are scarce enough that an advanced collector who didn’t have one might pay that kind of money. But those guys are just as scarce as this watch.

I think the fact that it has been for sale for a long time and the seller has dropped the price tells me a couple of things:

1. That most if not all of the advanced collectors have an example, so are not necessarily interested in this watch at the price asked.

2. The people who really know have already discussed this amongst themselves outside of this forum and possibly have come to the conclusion that maybe this watch isn’t what it seems to be. 😉

Regular pie-pan Constellations are enough of a minefield already.
gatorcpa

Thanks for the detailed response gatorcpa 👍🏻 I think that’s a good assumption. Interesting that you say you haven’t seen many standard onyx dials in white gold.

In point 2 you say the the watch isn’t what it seems to be. What do you mean by this? As in it’s not genuine? Sorry if im missing a really obvious hint here 😂
 
reggie_v
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I knew I’d seen this watch before, early 2025 it popped up on VV. seems it sold for just under 10k. Obviously gold has gone up. I just wonder why it’s back up for sale again…

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cristos71
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Dealers playing pass the parcel amongst themselves....

I know @MtV has had one or two of these and I'm pretty sure they sold very well, so there are buyers for these at high levels.
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reggie_v reggie_v
I knew I’d seen this watch before, early 2025 it popped up on VV. seems it sold for just under 10k. Obviously gold has gone up. I just wonder why it’s back up for sale again…

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This is exactly where I saw it as well. I know they are rare, and are sought after by collectors. To me, it’s a hard price to stomach when most people would think it’s a stainless model.

In terms of asking price, I guess it’s worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.
 
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To me, it’s a hard price to stomach when most people would think it’s a stainless model.
Part of the appeal. The ultimate understatement.

With the WG Connies, there are vast differences in value and rarity.
C-Shapes are relatively common in WG, as stated before. I believe with the high gold prices and their heavy cases / heavy 18k bracelets they might have gotten to a point at which gold value is about what they fetch.

Doglegs are rarer, but still not overly so. There’s a significant difference between date and dateless ones, the latter being more uncommon, more sought-after and more expensive. I’ve seen them sell for sub-10k, even nice ones. They’re at „hunting level: advanced“ though. You’ll need to check auction sites very regularly, know what you’re looking for, possibly be quick to act and it can still take a year.

Then there are the early 60s lyre lug refs, 14381/14393 which seem much rarer again in WG. Here’s a former example of mine:

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And then there’s 1950s WG Connies. That’s absolute grail territory and to find those… phew.
 
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reggie_v reggie_v
What do you mean by this? As in it’s not genuine?
I think the parts, including the dial are all genuine Omega.

Whether the watch left the factory with that combination, I simply don’t know and will leave that question to those who know more than I do.
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Because these watches were special order and not off the shelf items the condition of these WG constellations - from the 50s and early 60s - are usually very good to excellent.
 
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