When is Enough Enough -or- Is Collecting a Disorder?

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Are you eating to address your mouth's boredom, or because you're hungry in front of food so good you'd be a fool not to eat it?

I guess I'm 'lucky' because at least 99% of watches I see are just absolute abominations 'unto mine eyes' -- but, at the same time, I'm overjoyed to think that somewhere, in this wide world, there's got to be someone who could look upon them and be thrilled.

If whatever you're doing, whatever you're pursuing, hurts no one, is legal, doesn't excessively mess up your short- or long-term financial prospects (don't pay for watches on credit card interest!) and it truly makes you happy, then gentlemen and ladies, you'll probably be just fine.

You're still a raving weirdo, don't forget that, or that you're in very good company. If you think there's a way to justify any of this to those not similarly affected, you've already lost the argument. Just enjoy. I personally think we're so much better off delaying gratification until finding -- and then holding onto -- a small handful of truly wonderful items, rather than amassing boxes of junk. But hey, if junk's your thing, I'm honestly glad for your happiness.
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I'm just fascinated by the intricacy, design, aesthetics and mechanics of the shiny little Swiss made machines that we call luxury watches. For me, they are art that I can wear. More than that, in a world where everything seems to be increasingly ephemeral, disposable and replaceable, I like the sense of quality, durability and permanency that comes with a fine mechanical watch. I like both the intellectual and social aspects of horology. I enjoy learning about new things and I derive satisfaction from the social contacts that come with buying, selling and trading watches and from discussing them online and in person with others. I've made some good friends through OF and now socialize in person with some members who I initially met online. I've also made some good "online" friends here all of whom I one day hope to meet. It's all good stuff. I'm not someone who needs to collect 300 or 500 or 1000 watches. I generally stick to 12-15 pieces that I really like. Some are eventually sold and replaced with others. Some are permanent fixtures. But I enjoy them all.
 
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I don’t think of myself as a collector but more as a hunter. The watches are my trophies.
I am only interested in vintage watches, no new or modern watch.
What started it all many, years ago, was finding watches for 25 euro cents in flea markets. I would then patiently clean them and fit them with a bracelet. Then I would test the watches….
I very quickly started to write down all my expenses in a small note book, knowing that if I didn’t, things would go out of hand.
It very quickly became a little industry. I learned watchmaking in evening classes, bought tools and started doing basic repairs.
I have studied a lot, learned a lot and met some of my best friends.
I consider myself as a hunter because for me the thrill is to find the gem. It has to be undervalued, original, unmessed with and valuable in my eyes.
Then I keep the watches as trophies.
Some watches are not trophies because they are common or not in a good enough condition or else. And I sell them and make a profit.
This process has taken years of hard work and has tormented me at times. It was not easy for me to accept the financial risks. At times I felt like addicted and judged myself very harshly.
But the nice thing is that you can sell the watches, make a profit and thus have an objective proof you were right. It was very important for me to be able to continue.
At one point, twenty years ago, I sold everything I had because I was buying an apartment and needed all the cash I could find.
I stopped a couple of years and started it all again. I own many watches, much more than a sane person would and to be frank I don’t even wear a watch most of the times. But I still love most of them and I am very proud of what I have achieved.
I remember discussing a potential buy with a member here. He was considering an expensive buy and was very hot.
I said to him : “Don’t consider yourself as a collector, consider yourself as a smart hunter and weigh that decision as a hunter. Because a collector has no limits.”
7 years ago I became a professional seller. I trade watch parts and watches. This way, I can go on for ever. Though, I must admit it has spoiled some of the pleasure. Mrs omegastar, like and wears vintage watches and so it is also nice to be able to share with her.
What was also very important is that I have 2 or 3 friends who are also watch hunters with which I can discuss any potential buy or advise on their potential buys. Being part of a community is very important to keep things in perspective.
I feel alive when I find a path to a watch and track it down. Study all the aspects related to originality, value etc…Eventually buying the watch. I really feel like a hunter and get very excited.
It is not about money, money is necessary to enter the game and take a real risk. It is about being smart, being disciplined, effective and lucky. I like to feel lucky when everting aligns.
I personally have no taste for luxury. I drive 2006 Citroen that falls apart. Vintage watches are not pretentious because they are old and used, that’s what I like about them.
I have learned a lot about myself and found a lot of self confidence hunting watches.
Fortunately watch collecting was not an effemeral phenomenon.
 
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Can you elaborate on this.
If this sentence is what i think it meant, god damn.
Dad?
1000 + watches! That would make for an amazing photo. What do you say @redpcar ?
 
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just did a quick count. Rotation watches are closer to 300.

Now that's a deep rotation! Soo... how do you decide what to wear? Like for example today, did you just keep looking until you found a watch with a date at 27th?
 
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Not a watch in sight that book cover ... collecting has always been interesting (e.g. concept of the Wünderkammer = Room of curiosities )
Hoarding might be a disorder though
 
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I can afford the watches I currently own, perhaps even a few more before I would need to start selling some I don't wear that often, but I'm starting to think the watches are wearing me... and it's something I am not comfortable with.

It must be nice to have such spare down time to indulge oneself into this excess of pondering on one's leisure time activities. I suppose one could turn anything into a problem if one tries hard enough. 😁
 
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Now that's a deep rotation! Soo... how do you decide what to wear? Like for example today, did you just keep looking until you found a watch with a date at 27th?

My set up is not displays and spot lights. I simply have them in drawers. I don't collect any brands specifically. Almost all my stuff is older (like me). Pre 1980's and mechanical. When I sit at home, instead of watching tv (or reading a book), I fiddle with watches. I could say "repair" watches but it's mostly fiddling. 😉 I wouldn't call myself a collector. I buy what I think is cool. I ignore the date function. Hard to see even with glasses on.
At night, I'll go through a few and give them a wind to keep the oil moving. Do all my own repairs. If something looks off on one, I'll throw it on the timer. If it's sick, make a note for a cleaning on a later date.
My boys are older now and out of the house. When they come to visit, they like to go through them and put dibs.
My wife seems to be like all the others noted above. 1 of 6 kids with a single mom. She pretends to be interested when I show her what just arrived in a box. She does wear one of my watches, a quartz Heuer (that is really cool) and gets plenty of compliments (mostly from men). Wears it every day. I change the battery and set the time for her (daylight savings, it's a screw down crown).
 
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I revel in my pathology. Show me someone without pathology and I will show you a very dull chap.
If it’s something interesting, delve in! We know this behavior as being human..
 
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I'm curious about the idea that it is a form of OCD / hoarding. I've never seen collecting in that way, although I've not read much about the psychology of it. To my mind, and I emphasise, this is just my own personal thought and is not evidence based, collecting is a throwback to the hunter-gatherer in us. It possibly explains why men are more likely to be collectors than women, although I know many women do collect stuff.

Anyway, that's my 6 penny-worth. I'm off to look at my watches, stamps, bikes, hi-fi equipment, vinyl records and Furbies.

(One of the above I don't collect, but I'm not saying which.)
 
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Not meant as a judgement or divisive topic or a bonfire... really me thinking out loud to me but would enjoy reading other's stories and thoughts and rationalizations on it.

I've got two wrists but only use one for a watch at a time and yet own many watches. I own 12 bicycles but only two pair of hands & feet and one ass to sit on only one bike at a time. I own enough bike parts, both old & new, to open a bike shop but seldom sort through them when I need to repair any bike I currently ride and instead buy another new part for that repair because "fυck it, it's easier than shifting through bins and sucking up however many hours looking for what I need".
I own, at least, 30 pairs of shoes and outside of maybe eight pairs of them that are specific in purpose (walking, cycling, hot or cold weather) they just sit in a closet.
No, I don't have shit stacked everywhere -- are house is clean and organized.

As such I started looking at psychological studies on Collecting and the very human disposition towards it.

Collecting definitely ain't new or unheard of as we all know.
Magazines, stamps, cars, watches, shoes, hats, depression era glass, Hummel's, guns, beer cans... humans love gathering shit to look at and research.

Much of what I read states that it very closely borders on hoarding, a need for control and order - an offset of or closely related relative to OCD.

One thing that struck me... many sources say that Collecting isn't Hoarding as long as the Collector keeps their collection of whatever "tidy" vs the Hoarder and their fleet of whatever being "everywhere" and "overrunning their home". Seems like an rather odd and oversimplification of the two conditions.

To me, unto me, my watches and shoes and bikes and bike parts seem perfectly normal... until someone outside of me & my brain asks about them. Even innocently asked I feel weird justifying it. The topic always makes me not so much defensive as self-deprecating and making fun of myself - perhaps that's another form of being defensive? Don't know.

I do know this... I absolutely adore, admire and love folks who own one of something and use the shit out of it.
I think what spawned all this was the fella who recently posted about his Speedmaster and all the use he's given it. I loved that so much it started me thinking about how ridiculous I am/this is.

Is it...
Status?
Hoarding?
Control?
Fear of committing to just one thing?
Collecting?
Innocent enjoyment gone unchecked?
Just innocent enough?

My wife, for instance, raised dirt poor (I'm talking absolutely nothing, shit side of the tracks for her childhood, messed up family, never a pot to piss in... but smart and independent as a whip -- formulated a practical plan out of it through a solid, heavily employable, career that would make her some money, never need to return to poverty yet also help humanity -- Registered Nursing)... she's fine with what I do, definitely makes fun of it (marriage), yet will not be saddled down with "Things". If I buy her a pair of shoes and she didn't need a new pair she either returns the gift or donates the current pair. I've tried to get her "into" watches... I bought her a Rolex, she wanted it returned and gone immediately. "It's not who I am darling. I need to wear a watch not have it wear me. I will worry too much about the price of what's on my wrist to ever ignore it and get on with work at the hospital. Thank you but no thank you." But she loves the $250 dollar Seiko diver I got her after the Rolex went back.
Her favorite phrase for nearly everything is, "Oh, mine still works. No need but thank you." And I feel like a total dick as a result of it while I continue to look, think, hunt and balance our finances against what I can get and can't get.
Her two single extravagant crutches (if I could even call them that at all)... she loved olives as a child (nothing exotic either... green olives, pimentos stuffed inside them, in a jar) but her family of six couldn't afford them. She had them at church and at the neighbors but never at home. And cheese. She was raised on fake government cheese but occasionally would have something that wasn't surplus when at the neighbors...
to this day our fridge always has two jars of standard cocktail olives and a block of any type of cheese from any manufacturer as long as it isn't generic. The two jars and block might never even get opened but there they sit. I respect that even though one could opine that that's wasteful.
Our daughter, when young and not knowing the backstory, would make fun of it. I told her the story (my wife seldom revisits her childhood in conversation) and now our daughter makes sure the two jars and block are never touched by her.
I think it's symbolic, the olives and cheese, to my wife that she overcame her childhood and succeeded.

I can afford the watches I currently own, perhaps even a few more before I would need to start selling some I don't wear that often, but I'm starting to think the watches are wearing me... and it's something I am not comfortable with.

Anyway, just some outward rambling.

Thank you for this. I understand and was touched by the story of your wife. I believe that you are a talented writer, and as I've spent far too many hours in the last week pouring over watch ads, I do "get" it regarding acquiring/collecting. I've a friend who tells me he has at least 15 or so excellent rods and much fishing gear, kayak, canoe, and doesn't go fishing. If the psychologists among this Forum could point us to some useful studies, reading them might keep from from the "oh wait, I haven't seen that model watch, and...."
Well said - a good weekend to you and your family. From 32 degree F Virginia.
 
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I'm just fascinated by the intricacy, design, aesthetics and mechanics of the shiny little Swiss made machines that we call luxury watches. For me, they are art that I can wear. More than that, in a world where everything seems to be increasingly ephemeral, disposable and replaceable, I like the sense of quality, durability and permanency that comes with a fine mechanical watch. I like both the intellectual and social aspects of horology. I enjoy learning about new things and I derive satisfaction from the social contacts that come with buying, selling and trading watches and from discussing them online and in person with others. I've made some good friends through OF and now socialize in person with some members who I initially met online. I've also made some good "online" friends here all of whom I one day hope to meet. It's all good stuff. I'm not someone who needs to collect 300 or 500 or 1000 watches. I generally stick to 12-15 pieces that I really like. Some are eventually sold and replaced with others. Some are permanent fixtures. But I enjoy them all.
Well said - art upon my wrist. I've said that very phrase to Jan Nesbit of the Seattle watch repair firm. I think of the technology, engineering, skill of the people and machines that craft these beauties - however we define them.
 
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You have but one life. Live it well. If living well includes a collection of fine watches, don't let the Calvinists you encounter make you question it. That said if you got into this to make money flipping and did dumb things like borrowing money. Well, that is a problem.
 
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All this and I don't consider myself crazy. You'll be just fine 😀
We need pics of your attic
 
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I have watched Bugs Bunny cartoons at least a thousand times…
Oh, so you are normal! I was wondering.
 
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I think it's a very interesting topic. For various reasons I've become very interested in and reading a lot of psychology and philosophy the past bunch of years. That book Dan posted looks very interesting. I'll probably pick that up. I think collecting can definitely stray into hoarding/unhealthy obsession territory and there are various tendencies of the human condition that play into it. The thing I try to be mindful of is I've been working to adopt ideas like non-identification and non-attachment in my daily life. There aren't many things more materialistic than an expensive luxury watch (I understand most collectors are into vintage and history not luxury and status). Most of my watches primarily have sentimental value so I find myself being quite attached to them. I try to be okay with the idea that if I had to give them all away today it would be no problem for me.

I'm not a collector. I've just accumulated a handful of watches over the years. The end-goal I had in mind was around a 3 watch rotation of robust modern watches because I like to wear the hell out of them and not worry too much about them. Hanging out here has started to change that a bit. Also, I've just acquired a couple more vintage watches that are just super cool. The things that got my into watches in the first place is learning about the history and engineering. I like learning how things work and these tiny intricate machines are beautiful works of art and engineering. Bonus, you can wear them around and admire them all day, everyday! I also like researching and learning about the history of horology and timepieces. That's the fun of it for me.

I like some of the points above about how it can bring people together. This community is a good example. Another thing extremely fresh on my mind is the potential to share that enjoyment with others. The thing that really got me deep into watches was my grandfather in-law (Opa) gave me a complicated watch out of the blue. Trying to figure out what the hell that thing was brought me down the rabbit hole. Opa started it all for me. Opa just passed away a couple of weeks ago at the age of 93. He still had about 50 watches and all of his children and grandchildren got a watch or two, including myself. Everyone in the family has a direct reminder of Opa they can wear around and see every day. I think that is awesome. I'm doing my best to pass my love of watches to my kids. One day, they'll get Opa's watches. That's multiple generations of watch lovers all because Opa was a collector and freely shared his watches and passion.

Looking at Opa's collection definitely gave me a bit more of the vintage bug. There is time for me to become a "collector" yet. Thanks for reading my rambling if you've made it this far. Have a great day all! -Alex
 
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HI, my name is Erric and I'm a watch collector but I already know I'm sort of a packrat too. I'm one of those guys with circuit boards and cables from the early 90s "just in case!". I try to pare it down but then it's like, oh it doesn't take up much room, and then you're buried. My mom was a clean hoarder who spent a lot of my dad's money to drown the pain of her Multiple Sclerosis. I know i picked up some of her shopping tendencies as any of you who have sold me items know. LOL

But yes, I worked on cars and realized they were too big to have many around. Then I tried motorcycles which are not too much fun in a summer beach town full of idiots on cellphones. I worked on small engines as well. Then I was gunsmithing for a couple years but New Jersey made it harder and harder to do it out of your home recently. So, watches it is! The ultimate form of micromechanics, and I think I'm in love. I want to change my career and all that jazz. I'm hooked.

So, maybe I do have a problem, but at least I have a great group of enablers.

I thought I had it rough with 100 watches ...
 
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It is likely a disorder.

I began collecting coins in 1965 when the US began issuing clad coinage with no silver content. My dad advised me to gather in the '64 and earlier coins having 90% silver content. I used to pester the school lunchroom lady for the silver coins out of her till. Oh, and the "wheat pennies."

Since then I built a massive type set of US coins, sold most of it and built it again. I also added other collecting fields of endeavour: vintage firearms, antiquarian (and other old) books, watches, a music library in vinyl, then again in CD format, examples of every different model of Gillette safety razor from 1904 forward to last year of US production in 1988, and old pea whistles. I even have five accordions though I can only play one at a time!

Records are kept on everything and it is all cataloged. I just don't number the lists so that I won't know how many of the items are on hand.