What’s up with explorer 114270 prices?

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I know some have criticized the Hodinkee in-depth article for a few mistakes, but I wanted to flag this line: "When Rolex released its successor, the 114270, it released a lot of them - effectively flooding the market."

Does anyone have any idea what the scale is / roughly how many more 114270s there are than 14270s? Anecdotally, I see more 114270s popping up on the market, but curious if this is widely accepted or if Hodinkee is speculating here.
 
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I'm not sure the upgraded caliber in the 114270 was "vastly improved," my understanding is there were definitely some improvements but not a qualitative leap over the caliber found in the 14270.

I think the 14270s with tritium dials and drilled lugs are more "valuable" (i.e. trade for more) than the 114270s with the upgraded movement because potential buyers of either the 14270 or 114270 are going for the vintage feel. That is why they prefer the 36mm sizing versus the 39mm in the 214270. So if you want the "neo-vintage" feel and aesthetic, you would want tritium plots that age and develop patina and drilled lugs. But if you don't care about tritium versus luminova, then it makes sense to get the 114270 over the 14270 because it's the same watch, but with an upgraded movement.

The HQ Milton example isn't appealing to me personally because it is the older movement but still has luminova - the worst of both worlds.

For sure good points, not trying to say the cal. 3000 is bad/unreliable. I think you're right one with regards to the lug holes & tritium though! I searched very hard for that spec of 14270 but gave up. Also agree that the least desirable combo is cal. 3000, no holes, no tritium & non-super luminova. For me in the end I wanted super luminova for practicality purposes as I daily wear the watch and has the 'more robust' caliber.
 
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I couldn’t own that watch for that clasp design..
 
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Wow that is absurd in my opinion..also agree on that clasp. I have that style clasp on my 1976 Speedy Pro and whilst it never came undone I don't do half the same activities with the moon watch that I do with the Exp. Id be nervous
 
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I just finished the Hodinkee in-depth article, and all aboard the hype train...

"For Eric Ku, renowned collector, dealer, and owner of 10PastTen, the Explorer represents "the most perfect Rolex." He started collecting and working at a time when the 14270 was in regular production and noted that it was the "first Rolex I ever loved." Eric said that the 14270 reference is relatively cheap for what it is, but with it, you get a little bit of vintage taste in a modern watch. Another interesting note, referenced earlier in this article but echoed by Eric, is the fact that - for the most part - the tritium on the 14270 just doesn't age. "A 14270 to a non-enthusiast still looks like a new Rolex," he says."

"Eric Wind, former HODINKEE contributor and owner of Wind Vintage, spoke to the idea of what constitutes a vintage watch, saying, "If you follow the 20-year timeline for what makes a watch vintage, this just hit that mark." He noted that neo-vintage watches have really appreciated in value, pointing to the market for Polar Explorer II 16570 reference models. Explorer 14270s have gone up 50% in many cases over the last year alone, he said, most notably unpolished examples but, like any Rolex, it is increasingly difficult to find unpolished examples. In looking at the future of the market for the 14270, Eric notes, "I believe the really great 14270s will be $10,000 soon." Only time will tell."
 
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Just arrived: 2005 114270. Love at first sight, unlike some watches that take some warming up to. 6.75” wrist. Perfect counter- watch to my PO 8500.






I just finished the Hodinkee in-depth article, and all aboard the hype train...

"For Eric Ku, renowned collector, dealer, and owner of 10PastTen, the Explorer represents "the most perfect Rolex." He started collecting and working at a time when the 14270 was in regular production and noted that it was the "first Rolex I ever loved." Eric said that the 14270 reference is relatively cheap for what it is, but with it, you get a little bit of vintage taste in a modern watch. Another interesting note, referenced earlier in this article but echoed by Eric, is the fact that - for the most part - the tritium on the 14270 just doesn't age. "A 14270 to a non-enthusiast still looks like a new Rolex," he says."

"Eric Wind, former HODINKEE contributor and owner of Wind Vintage, spoke to the idea of what constitutes a vintage watch, saying, "If you follow the 20-year timeline for what makes a watch vintage, this just hit that mark." He noted that neo-vintage watches have really appreciated in value, pointing to the market for Polar Explorer II 16570 reference models. Explorer 14270s have gone up 50% in many cases over the last year alone, he said, most notably unpolished examples but, like any Rolex, it is increasingly difficult to find unpolished examples. In looking at the future of the market for the 14270, Eric notes, "I believe the really great 14270s will be $10,000 soon." Only time will tell."
 
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Used Rolex pricing is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. I don't understand it personally. I'm also not one of those people who think the bubble will burst... it never will. They've ascended to God tier levels of marketing. I can barely stomach one brand new tbh. £7k for a 36mm Datejust? Come on now... Haven't even gotten to the SS sports models. Nice watches but too much effort required to get them.