Whats the appeal of steel sports watches

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I'm not just valuing the watch for its weight in scrap. The dial hands and movement are also worth money. I'm trying to look at the absolute worst case scenerio in making a bad purchase.

You are correct in that there are very very few (especially) new goods like that. The closest thing in my opinion are gold (and other precious) metal semi numismatic coins.
 
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it would make sense that if a steel watch should not cost over $500, then it's equivalent in gold should not cost more than $500 - scrap value of steel + scrap value of gold? It seems this makes a judgement that the cost for designing, fabricating and assembling the case, movement, dial, hands, packaging, etc. should not be more then ~$250 (the distribution and retailing costs then bump that up to $500). What is the basis for believing all tool watch designs should be able to be built for that just because the case is steel/ stainless steel vs a precious metal?

Of course I would not argue if Patek Phillipe watches dropped in cost to $500 + cost difference between steel and gold...
 
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Of course you can, it's Rolex 馃榿
Yes but everybody else followed. Just look at what watches cost back in the 1960s and before from vintage ads and put those numbers into an inflation calculator. Also remember they didn't have robotics to assemble the watches back then so they had to pay a lot more for labor.
 
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it would make sense that if a steel watch should not cost over $500, then it's equivalent in gold should not cost more than $500 - scrap value of steel + scrap value of gold? It seems this makes a judgement that the cost for designing, fabricating and assembling the case, movement, dial, hands, packaging, etc. should not be more then ~$250 (the distribution and retailing costs then bump that up to $500). What is the basis for believing all tool watch designs should be able to be built for that just because the case is steel/ stainless steel vs a precious metal?

Of course I would not argue if Patek Phillipe watches dropped in cost to $500 + cost difference between steel and gold...
Just remember the percentage return on investment that a watch company needs to get on their investment. If the steel costs $250 to make and is sold at $500. Then it is reasonable to expect the gold one with $500 of gold to cost $1500; again return on investment. I understand watches are Veblen goods but still there is a limit to how much the market will bear and I suspect we are beginning to hit it at least with modern pieces.

As far as the Patek example I just wonder how much true hand finishing (hours) is in any watch from a large company these days...
 
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The only adornments I wear are a white gold wedding ring and a steel tool watch.

I cherish the fact that the ring is made of a precious metal because that ring symbolizes something important to me. It's precious.

I love my steel tool watch the way I love many other tools. I look for opportunities to use the tools I like.. For example, I need to build an extension on the deck, so I get to use my skill saw, a really nice hammer, and a power drill. Wife wants a new faucet in the bathroom? no problem, I got a killer monkey wrench I only get to use like once a year, if that. In a meeting? Well I gotta glance at my wrist to see how many minutes are left.

I enjoy each for different reasons and in different ways, each unto their own.
 
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I've been posting on this forum for a while as well as collecting colors for a while. I don't want this coming off the wrong way but what is the appeal of (very expensive) purples? While I do appreciate purples for what they are for the life of me I can't get the appeal of spending over around $500 USD for a purple. It's just mind boggling to me especially seeing new purples cost over $10k USD. Ingrained in my mind is that luxury (expensive) colors are made of precious hues as in red, green or blue. What do you all think?
 
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I agree -- that is exactly my point. If you feel there is no way a steel watch should cost more then $500, then there is no way a precious metal watch should ever cost more than $1,500. But jeebus, they surely do!

I don't think it is possible to build the plants, create the machinery, pay the costs of the real estate, etc. to produce a watch for only $250 unless you source a lot of parts/ pieces from parts of the world where real estate and labor costs are very inexpensive. And while someone like Seiko can churn out tons of watches that retail for $75-$200, they also sell quite a few at higher price points, which helps them cover a large part of their bills.
 
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Interesting question, gold is actually not worth anything as it really has no "use" but yet people have killed for it for centuries. Likewise the diamond market is artificially created/controlled so the reality it all of these things are valued far more than the sum of their parts.

Buy what you like and laugh at those who choose otherwise....I mean is a new 911 like the one a friend just bought for 90k really worth double the 370Z my wife owns? On paper they are pretty comparable yet clearly people value the Porsche more.
 
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I agree -- that is exactly my point. If you feel there is no way a steel watch should cost more then $500, then there is no way a precious metal watch should ever cost more than $1,500. But jeebus, they surely do!

I don't think it is possible to build the plants, create the machinery, pay the costs of the real estate, etc. to produce a watch for only $250 unless you source a lot of parts/ pieces from parts of the world where real estate and labor costs are very inexpensive. And while someone like Seiko can churn out tons of watches that retail for $75-$200, they also sell quite a few at higher price points, which helps them cover a large part of their bills.
Well that's not entirely true. If it is a one off totally hand made prototype then it is certainly going to cost more than $500 to produce due to the time and equipment needed. Also there are many precious metal watches with more than $1500 of gold. As far as Seiko I can't comment as I have not seen their books so who really knows there...
 
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Yes but everybody else followed. Just look at what watches cost back in the 1960s and before from vintage ads and put those numbers into an inflation calculator. Also remember they didn't have robotics to assemble the watches back then so they had to pay a lot more for labor.
I've done that, Thomas, and I'm sure others here have too. Watches are actually a pretty good deal these days, at least if you buy a Seiko, or, say, a Victorinox if you want Swiss (both those brands sell watches that cost more than $500 but also many that cost less), rather than a Rolex or Omega. Remember that Omega's parent Swatch has turned Omega into its flagship luxury brand. You can certainly buy a Swatch for less than $500.
 
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Interesting question, gold is actually not worth anything as it really has no "use" but yet people have killed for it for centuries. Likewise the diamond market is artificially created/controlled so the reality it all of these things are valued far more than the sum of their parts.

Buy what you like and laugh at those who choose otherwise....I mean is a new 911 like the one a friend just bought for 90k really worth double the 370Z my wife owns? On paper they are pretty comparable yet clearly people value the Porsche more.
Actually gold does have many uses in electronics and medicine. It is typically expensive to produce and refine.

As far as the cars the reason the Porsche costs more is that there are fewer made so the manufacturer has to make more off each car to turn a profit.
 
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I've done that, Thomas, and I'm sure others here have too. Watches are actually a pretty good deal these days, at least if you buy a Seiko, or, say, a Victorinox if you want Swiss (both those brands sell watches that cost more than $500 but also many that cost less), rather than a Rolex or Omega. Remember that Omega's parent Swatch has turned Omega into its flagship luxury brand. You can certainly buy a Swatch for less than $500.
I totally agree with you on the lower end especially a Seiko 5.
 
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Gold isn't actually used much, like diamonds the industrial uses are minor compared to the amount in the market.

Silver on the other hand is frequently used and often "destroyed" yet still remains cheap.

Porsches are a dime a dozen and produced on an assembly line like every major brand. A hand built car is a different story.....and not something you see on the street very often.

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A watch is a quasi investment to me

Well, there's the difference, I think.

But I don't have any expensive stainless watches of which you speak. My most expensive vintage watch was less than half the price of a new one of the same brand and type. My investments are in my 401(k) and my mortgage.
 
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I think there's something wrong when you start fixating on what the watch is actually made of ( unless you plan on melting it down some day..)

A little off topic perhaps but does Omega's Sedna (and whatever Rolex's new version of gold is) have a melt down value similar to gold?
Honestly don't know if it's a mixture of several elements and either harder to separate by melting, water's down the (melted) price or is just impossible to scrap for any kind of reasonable return.
 
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A little off topic perhaps but does Omega's Sedna (and whatever Rolex's new version of gold is) have a melt down value similar to gold?
Honestly don't know if it's a mixture of several elements and either harder to separate by melting, water's down the (melted) price or is just impossible to scrap for any kind of reasonable return.

Rolex has EveRose, which I believe has platinum or palladium mixed in to stave off tarnishing longer.

EDIT - It's platinum:

 
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If that $10,000 sport watch was made of gold it would add a whopping $500 to its value...so why does it matter? Its not about the precious metals, its a purely fashion related decision. And as @WatchVaultNYC pointed out, fashion today is more casual even in the office.

Personally if I had a choice between a solid gold or a stainless steel Rolex 5513 or even a Speedmaster 2915 for that matter, and the price was exactly the same I would choose the stainless watch because IMO it looks better. Ironically in most cases, the gold version is actually worth less today for this very reason. But beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

50 years from now, it may be all about gold watches and all these overpriced stainless sports watches will be worthless.
 
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There was actually a very interesting article on Ablogtowatch recently that discussed the price points of steel vs precious metal watches and the steep decline in precious metal watch demand. http://www.ablogtowatch.com/demand-platinum-gold-watches-plummets/

The gist in this article nicely parallels some of my view points:
1) The price jump to precious metal watches over ss is dramatically higher than the actual cost involved to produce said watch.
Example: Retail of a SS Rolex BLNR is $9895 usd. It's 18k white gold counterpart the BLRO is $38,250 usd. (Example taken from linked article)
2) On the resale market, precious metal watches take a much larger depreciation hit than stainless.
Example: Rolex Sub 116610 retails for $8550 and can be found selling used for $7075. This would yield a resale value of ~83% of retail purchase. The retail of a white gold Sub 116619 is $36,850. This can be found used for $24,525. Making resale value of ~66.5% of retail purchase.
Both used watches found on a popular Rolex reseller with similar conditions, all B/P, and both only a few months old. (I just looked up the prices myself for this post).

Point being, from purely an objective numbers perspective, if looking at ROI then precious metal watches are certainly not the way to go.