Community Stories

Whats a good trade in same value for a 2019 Seamaster?

Tallest
Posts
12
Likes
4
Is there a decent watch that can be a daily that would be a good trade (Omega or not) for the value of a modern Speedy in great shape (mine, full box papers etc). We are talking like 4-5k EUR range I suppose?

My list so far:

300 Seamaster from 60s
Early 00s Planet Ocean (the 3-6-9 one with date, monochrome, smaller sized - 42 or 40mm?)
late 90s Seamaster professional (Bond one, but automatic)

In those cases Id either stand to gain a little cash (Bond) or spend (SM300).. I like to change things up but I also love me an Omega again, but ofc Im open to other ideas, like may be a DJ or smth like that, mass made vintage.

Thoughts? Would love to hear if youve done a similar trade.

EDIT: post should say Speedmaster not Seamaster (may be Mods can edit)
Edited:
 
Annapolis
Posts
1,789
Likes
2,627
This could read like a back door attempt to generate a FS or FT sales post, so don’t be surprised if the mods take it down.

Is it a Speedy or a Seamaster? In your subject you say one; in your message the other.

In any case, it seems like you’re asking what watches (new or vintage—from Omega or from other brands) can be bought for 4-5k?

It’ll help people if you narrow things down. Seems like you’re after another sports/tool watch? What are your other criteria? Right now it would be such a long list it’s impossible to answer.
 
Dan S
Posts
23,377
Likes
52,002
Whatever floats your boat. Only 193 more posts and you can start a WTT thread.
 
Tallest
Posts
12
Likes
4
Annapolis Annapolis
This could read like a back door attempt to generate a FS or FT sales post, so don’t be surprised if the mods take it down.

Is it a Speedy or a Seamaster? In your subject you say one; in your message the other.

In any case, it seems like you’re asking what watches (new or vintage—from Omega or from other brands) can be bought for 4-5k?

It’ll help people if you narrow things down. Seems like you’re after another sports/tool watch? What are your other criteria? Right now it would be such a long list it’s impossible to answer.

Actually its just a mistake, I meant to write Speedmaster (Seamaster as replacement was on my mind!). No, I want to see what people will trade a watch like this for similar value in Omega product range, there is nothing more sinister to it.

I dont plan even selling here because Im in Sweden and this is not the way to go due to most people here being in US and Im not gonna ever do a good deal as I have to pay 1) import fee 2) VAT which will add like 40% to watch cost in worse case, thus trading via forum is pointless on big item like that that you need to declare for our customs. Only stuff below 1000 dollars you can probably do deals with, otherwise its chrono or local tradera or used dealers.

So with that out of the way, yeah 4-6k, Diver most likely. The ones I mentioned above seem to be all divers, all a good fit. I dont know where the values exactly sit as market has been all over the place, but seems those 3 actually are coming up in value and not much deals to be had yet.

The Seamaster 300 is vintage, so that will be a search. 90s bond seems a good alternative, I rather like them on mesh or olive nato, and they seem less chunky than modern SM Professional models. I wonder more if Im missing anything I (as not so well versed in Omegas) can be missing. The 3-6-9 dial is what I really like though, I think thats kind of what got me thinking about PO and SM300.

Dan S Dan S
Whatever floats your boat. Only 193 more posts and you can start a WTT thread.

Well thanks for chiming in there bud, that was useful. Talk about caring about post count. Read above my reply before youre starting to gatekeep the forums, my guy. Im on Watchuseek forum for 11 years (under same username), yet not posted a for sale there on this even if I well could. You wouldnt know this of course. Im asking here only to know what specifically Omega crowd does.
Edited:
 
Annapolis
Posts
1,789
Likes
2,627
Tallest Tallest
Actually its just a mistake, I meant to write Speedmaster (Seamaster as replacement was on my mind!). No, I want to see what people will trade a watch like this for similar value in Omega product range, there is nothing more sinister to it.

I dont plan even selling here because Im in Sweden and this is not the way to go due to most people here being in US and Im not gonna ever do a good deal as I have to pay 1) import fee 2) VAT which will add like 40% to watch cost in worse case, thus trading via forum is pointless on big item like that that you need to declare for our customs. Only stuff below 1000 dollars you can probably do deals with, otherwise its chrono or local tradera or used dealers.

So with that out of the way, yeah 4-6k, Diver most likely. The ones I mentioned above seem to be all divers, all a good fit. I dont know where the values exactly sit as market has been all over the place, but seems those 3 actually are coming up in value and not much deals to be had yet.

The Seamaster 300 is vintage, so that will be a search. 90s bond seems a good alternative, I rather like them on mesh or olive nato, and they seem less chunky than modern SM Professional models. I wonder more if Im missing anything I (as not so well versed in Omegas) can be missing. The 3-6-9 dial is what I really like though, I think thats kind of what got me thinking about PO and SM300.



Well thanks for chiming in there bud, that was useful. Talk about caring about post count. Read above my reply before youre starting to gatekeep the forums, my guy. Im on Watchuseek forum for 11 years (under same username), yet not posted a for sale there on this even if I well could. You wouldnt know this of course. Im asking here only to know what specifically Omega crowd does.

It’s true: I’ve been keeping an eye on Dan for post-farming ever since he started getting close to 18,000. He’s clearly just trying to make the 20,000 threshold, at which point he’ll finally be able to post in the Rolex subforum.

Really, though, you can’t blame folks here for being skeptical: we do get new members, from time to time, who try to find clever ways to skirt the post-count rule. Being vigilant about that is important if the rule is to mean anything, and it’s there for a very good reason.

Taking your question at face value, then, it sounds to me like you’re a Planet Ocean guy, if having a 3-6-9 dive watch is what you want. Fantastic (if chunky) watches that you can probably find preowned in your price range. IMO the grail watch in that configuration is the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms—a serious contender for the best dive watch ever made—but that’s another level of watchmaking and a higher price-point.

Another option, of course, since you mentioned the DJ—assuming you don’t need a dive bezel but like the 3-6-9 dial—is an Explorer I. The 36mm size is perfection for that watch. It somehow manages to be essential Rolex DNA without screaming at the world “hey everyone, look at me, I’m wearing a Rolex!” And very good preowned examples can be bought from highly reputable sellers for $5k. If I were “investing” in a watch for the long term, that’s what I’d buy.
 
EuroDriver
Posts
688
Likes
2,733
I would have considered trading my PO LMLE for something like this
 
Tallest
Posts
12
Likes
4
Annapolis Annapolis
Taking your question at face value, then, it sounds to me like you’re a Planet Ocean guy, if having a 3-6-9 dive watch is what you want. Fantastic (if chunky) watches that you can probably find preowned in your price range. IMO the grail watch in that configuration is the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms—a serious contender for the best dive watch ever made—but that’s another level of watchmaking and a higher price-point.

Another option, of course, since you mentioned the DJ—assuming you don’t need a dive bezel but like the 3-6-9 dial—is an Explorer I. The 36mm size is perfection for that watch. It somehow manages to be essential Rolex DNA without screaming at the world “hey everyone, look at me, I’m wearing a Rolex!” And very good preowned examples can be bought from highly reputable sellers for $5k. If I were “investing” in a watch for the long term, that’s what I’d buy.

So I had to check - indeed the 36mm Explorer is around 6k or less, which is shocking as I recall they were 8k just recently. I tried one in Singapore on travel and I really liked it. So this is a great suggestion.

Now, about the PO - are we talking about reference 2201.50.00? This one is 42mm, is it same case as Speedmaster in terms of lug to lug (48mm?). I saw it couple of times on peoples wrists and looked similar to my submariner 114060 in terms of size, so Im always a little confused on how they wear.
 
DenisChalandier
Posts
188
Likes
266
The diameter of your Speed is 39,5. Juste the circle. Check.

The 2201 with it's real diameter of 42 mm will wear much bigger. And it's taller. Like 14mm as I recall.

Size is way bigger than an Explorer or 90's Bond.
 
Tallest
Posts
12
Likes
4
DenisChalandier DenisChalandier
The diameter of your Speed is 39,5. Juste the circle. Check.

The 2201 with it's real diameter of 42 mm will wear much bigger. And it's taller. Like 14mm as I recall.

Size is way bigger than an Explorer or 90's Bond.

That was the gut feeling.. If thats too big, the Bond Seamaster like this one really gets me excited by looking at it. (from reddit, by Emma_Bovary_1856 ). Does that wear similar to 114060?
xwhen4l9lq1a1.jpg
 
Annapolis
Posts
1,789
Likes
2,627
Tallest Tallest
So I had to check - indeed the 36mm Explorer is around 6k or less, which is shocking as I recall they were 8k just recently.

Yep. IMO The preowned market for Rolex is a pretty good index of the luxury watch market generally, and within that I think the Explorer I works reasonably well as an index of that index. And they have dropped very noticeably in the past year. Take someone like Jacek Kozubek (Tropical Watch) for example—a leading expert on vintage Rolex who appears in Forbes and the NYTimes, and has a blue chip reputation as a dealer: just last year, it wasn’t uncommon for him to list vintage Explorers for 7k or more; now they’re 5,500 and presumably negotiable. Subs are trading under 10k again (though some people are still trying to sell for more—and of course there are prime examples trading higher), and steel Daytonas are still idiotically high but coming down. Who knows what’s going to happen, but perhaps this recent bout of luxury watch fever has cooled at least a little, or at least in some of its effects on the preowned market.
 
DenisChalandier
Posts
188
Likes
266
Tallest Tallest
That was the gut feeling.. If thats too big, the Bond Seamaster like this one really gets me excited by looking at it. (from reddit, by Emma_Bovary_1856 ). Does that wear similar to 114060?
xwhen4l9lq1a1.jpg

90's Bond are 41 x 12mm. 48 hight. It wears more like an old Sub. Never really saw someone who find a 2531.80 too big. Wears like my Speed but thinner.

For 4k you can look at 2220.80. Same size.
 
STANDY
Posts
16,856
Likes
47,859
So basically you want to swap a speedy for something of value…. Is it a 3861 or a 1861 Speedmaster ?
 
padders
Posts
10,297
Likes
16,115
DenisChalandier DenisChalandier
90's Bond are 41 x 12mm. 48 hight. It wears more like an old Sub. Never really saw someone who find a 2531.80 too big. Wears like my Speed but thinner.

For 4k you can look at 2220.80. Same size.
The second gen model with the 2500 movement model is at least 1mm thicker. It wears bigger as a result. For this reason it is my least favourite SMP.
Edited:
 
DenisChalandier
Posts
188
Likes
266
If you mean the 212.30, you can't really feel it. The ceramic bezel makes it easy to wear daily.

I have them all but the current one. Witch is really a bad step up to my mind.
 
padders
Posts
10,297
Likes
16,115
DenisChalandier DenisChalandier
If you mean the 212.30, you can't really feel it. The ceramic bezel makes it easy to wear daily.

I have them all but the current one. Witch is really a bad step up to my mind.
No I mean the second gen with Alu inset and 2500 movement eg the 2220.80 as you said above. I realise my post was ambiguous so I’ve clarified it. You can feel it vs the 2531.80, the same can be said if the third gen SMPc but I forgive that more as it has the ceramic bezel and a very different look. I’ve owned all 4 versions, the current watch is fine once you get used to how it’s been slightly scaled up vs gen 3 but I see why some don’t like it. The first gen form factor is best for its slimness. For me the 2230.50 non AC is the daddy but they are all good.
Edited:
 
DenisChalandier
Posts
188
Likes
266
I mostly wear a 1994 2541 on leather as a dress watch at work, so the latest edition is not for me 😀
 
Tallest
Posts
12
Likes
4
STANDY STANDY
So basically you want to swap a speedy for something of value…. Is it a 3861 or a 1861 Speedmaster ?

If you meant to write "of similar value" then yeah, exactly! Its a 1861. I dont want to "spend" money extra if I can help it. Im pondering on good alternatives. Its like I have a 991 911 and thinking to trade for 993 911. So in a sense, Im doing a bit of comparative shopping, if that makes sense.

DenisChalandier DenisChalandier
90's Bond are 41 x 12mm. 48 hight. It wears more like an old Sub. Never really saw someone who find a 2531.80 too big. Wears like my Speed but thinner.

For 4k you can look at 2220.80. Same size.

Yes, and if I look at the Bond Seamaster it would be the original one, with alu bezel and wave dial. I dont like any other generation that came after, as they started to chase Rolex ceramics too much, and also bloated a bit (including today). Personal taste. They ceramic bezel does not age with the watch, which I kind of not a fan of. Is an 1861 Speedmaster comparable in value to Bond Seamaster 2531.80 or the Speedy is aboiut 20% more expensive usually (what I was guessing).
Edited:
 
DenisChalandier
Posts
188
Likes
266
I have both 2531 and 1861. 2531 mostly 2500/2800 and a Speed at lightly above 4500 (euros).

But it may vary a lot. If you can, keep the Speed and buy the Diver. If you can't or just want a change, buy a nice exemplary of 2531. Middle ones without box and papers and busted bezels will be harder to sell back if you want to change again.

And other (rarely choose 😀 ) option is to buy a 2541.80. Same watch but quartz. Prices are low and if it's ables you to keep the Speed, to my mind it's win/win. It can be found for less than 2000. Sometimes far less. It's Goldeneye and joy to wear. No worries about settings and all. You grab, you wear 😀
 
2 More Posts...
Sign up or log in to reply...

Similar threads

kombatwombat

Would this be a good trade?

kombatwombat Modern Omega Watches
kombatwombat
kombatwombat
Posts
6
Views
1K
ndgal

When Hitler tries to get a good trade in value for his Panerai...

ndgal Open Discussion
Millenary Watches
Millenary Watches
Posts
49
Views
6K