What do you think about this 145012/67?

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Rioveggite67

·Dec 6, 2025

Hi everyone, I'm continuing my search for a vintage Speed 321. What do you think of this 145012/67? I look forward to hearing your opinions on both the overall condition of the watch and the accuracy of its various components.
Thanks to anyone who would like to contribute.

Edited: Dec 6, 2025

 

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Aludic

·Dec 6, 2025·@SpeedyBirthYear

Looks nice at first glance, but have a closer look at the indices. They don’t reach over the minute track. This is a service dial. An early, tritium one, but still, not the one it was originally delivered with.

 

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Rioveggite67

·Dec 6, 2025

True!!! It doesn't have the typical long indexes. I've never seen a tritium service dial. Thank's!

 

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watch_my_six

·Dec 6, 2025

Is the case back actually inscribed with 145.012-67?

 

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Rioveggite67

·Dec 6, 2025

I don't know. I don't have a photo of the inside caseback right now. Would that change anything? In the sense that it might not be a factory dial? as soon as I have a photo of the inside, I'll post it here. Anyway, It seems so beatiful..

 

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Dan S

·Dec 6, 2025

Nice looking watch, as long as you're ok with service parts and understand how they affect desirability and value.

 

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pdxleaf

·Sun. 12:42am

Case is heavily polished.

Honestly, it might be a fine watch to wear, but it doesn't carry the sense of a historical watch, which is generally the reason to want a 321.

If it was a person's family watch, then rock on. If someone is just looking for a 321 Speedy, hard pass.

 

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Rioveggite67

·Sun. 12:47am

I agree. A dial from a factory usually has a significant impact on collectors' interest. Although in this case it would still be a vintage dial, being a tritium and not a luninova Dial.

 

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Rioveggite67

·Sun. 1:54am

How is it possible that MO indicates a specific dial for the 321 models with short indexes generically referring to a time period (60/70)? Finally, is it 100% supply or in some cases was there a version of the dial with short indexes originally mounted?

 

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befobe

·Sun. 1:55am

Service dial, but very nice service dial, which is quite rare, and which proves that this watch had a life, respect for its age, and has been serviced.
I could wear it... 👍

 

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Rioveggite67

·Sun. 2:35am

This would be the Dial named "B4" on MO (trotteuse Is different).

 

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Passover

·Sun. 6:01am

Correct crown, pushers seem to be the original ones

Several positive points: 1039 with a good length, plus 516 end links, very good DON

How about the (price) elephant in the room?

 

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WatchClarity

·Sun. 6:02am

If it's priced appropriately for what it is, I would go for it.

 

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Rioveggite67

·Sun. 6:07am

The question is: what would be a fair price for this watch? There hasn't been a real negotiation yet, but I think it's starting at €8,000-€8.500. I'd like to know if this tritium Dial 321 is of collector's interest or if it's a Minus. If it had long indexes, it would certainly have been a truly wonderful piece.

 

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watch_my_six

·Sun. 5:45pm

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I don't know. I don't have a photo of the inside caseback right now. Would that change anything? In the sense that it might not be a factory dial? as soon as I have a photo of the inside, I'll post it here. Anyway, It seems so beatiful..

Is it possible it could be a later reference? Or does the exact combination of other components all but guarantee that it really is a 145.012 with a service dial?

 

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Dan S

·Sun. 9:13pm

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The question is: what would be a fair price for this watch? There hasn't been a real negotiation yet, but I think it's starting at €8,000-€8.500. I'd like to know if this tritium Dial 321 is of collector's interest or if it's a Minus. If it had long indexes, it would certainly have been a truly wonderful piece.

IMO, it does not have collectible interest, just an attractive vintage watch with a story. That price seem so outrageous that I don't think I'd even bother trying to negotiate. The seller seems not to understand that the most important part of the watch is missing. FWIW, the case appears to be mediocre.

 

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shafa.ali.muj009

·Mon. 3:34am

Dial and hands look beautifully matched that creamy lume is exactly what you want to see on a 145.012.

 

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padders

·Mon. 10:38am·Oooo subtitles!

shafa.ali.muj009

Dial and hands look beautifully matched that creamy lume is exactly what you want to see on a 145.012.

With short indices it is exactly what you don't want to see on a 145.012-67 or any other 321 movement Speedy. Yes it looks nice and may have other positive attributes, but this should be at a discount to an all original watch not a premium as it is at present. There is no chance at all this left the factory like this IMO.

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Rioveggite67

·Mon. 10:51am

Well, almost all of you agree that it doesn't have much collector's interest! But I still haven't figured out which models featured the dial classified by Moonwatch Only as B4 (generally referring to the 60s/70s) with applied logo and tritium indexes.

 

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pdxleaf

·Mon. 11:14am

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Well, almost all of you agree that it doesn't have much collector's interest! But I still haven't figured out which models featured the dial classified by Moonwatch Only as B4 (generally referring to the 60s/70s) with applied logo and tritium indexes.

@Dash1 , any thoughts on the OPs question?