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Was this a good buy? 000001 King Seiko

  1. sleepyastronaut Jan 14, 2021

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    The first digit is the year, decade not specified. The second digit is the month, first nine months are 1 through 9, then O, N, D for October, November, December. The remaining digits are the serial number, assumed sequentially per model.

    This watch first appears in the 1970 catalog, so it was manufactured in December 1970.
     
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  2. Power90801 Jan 14, 2021

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    It’s a December of 1970’, literally number 1 of the production for that year and model, the OP will never get that lucky again with that variant. And as someone pointed out it will never start with “00”. Keep it because coincidentally I watched a bunch of interest on Seiko groups today about that watch.
     
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  3. Walrus Jan 14, 2021

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    I don’t know it looks pretty good. I really like those KS. That dial is perfect. I can’t say I’m 100% up on the price of these but even with the D the serial number is still 0001 or however many 0’s that was
     
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  4. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jan 14, 2021

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    Thanks!

    FYI @Power90801 is a Real Life friend that lurks here. He’s getting to be quite the expert of n Seikos. His collection is stunning and makes me jealous. When this existential threat to humanity is over I’m sure he’ll attend the next SoCal GtG we have.

    Hmm I wonder if he has seen the zimbi thread....
     
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  5. kaplan Jan 14, 2021

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    I'll listen to you guys and keep it

    However, is 0D0001 number 1 for [The Whole 1970], or is 0D0001, number 1 for [December 1970]?

    I always assumed it's #1 for [December 1970]?

    Otherwise they cap themselves at only 10,000 watches every year, makes more sense that it's 120,000 watches every year instead

    So there might be a 0O0001 out there?

    The reason for me wanting to return it is the broken emotional connection and the misrepresentation and the faulty assumptions that came with them, being a start with 0 person, I kinda assumed January was 0, and this was the #1 for 1970
     
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  6. kaplan Jan 14, 2021

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    Anyway, whatever the case, I'm keeping it :)

    It's a good conversation starter, I'll preserve it to the best of my ability
     
  7. sleepyastronaut Jan 14, 2021

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    Number 1 for 45-7010
     
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  8. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jan 14, 2021

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    Read what @Power90801 said above.

    it’s the first of the year and made in December. Serial numbers start at the start of the years production.

    I think he explained it as being made the year before but not in that year until December.

    make sense?

    Your idea is actually 10k per month. Your forgetting the month in the serial.
     
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  9. Dan S Jan 14, 2021

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    I'm starting to wish that I hadn't said anything about the "D", but I suppose someone else would have mentioned it. :oops:
     
  10. kaplan Jan 15, 2021

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    Haha, not at all, thank you, it was a good ride

    The idea your friend proposed is actually 10,000 watches per year claiming that the month in the serial is just there for the information (or maybe even lifetime of the model)

    While I don't know anything conclusively, basically the current claim is, as an example, there can't be watches with serials "110048" and "120048" - as one would indicate a #48 watch made on January 1971 (let's say 1971) - and #48 watch made on February 1971 - but I think both exists

    So what I'm saying is, did they really produce so few watches that, 10,000/year was enough and the #cap of the serial was enough, 120,000 makes more sense and the last 4 digits only being unique for that Year+Month+Model combination

    So unless there is consensus, the only thing certain is that this watch was the #1 serial in 1970/December - Ultimately, since it's either 1970/October or 1970/December for a nice serial, it's what I originally committed for without engaging my brain and senses :D (Thinking 0 was January and I was getting the January)
     
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  11. rob#1 Jan 15, 2021

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    It’s a great looking watch - wear it and enjoy it. Enough said ;)
     
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  12. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jan 15, 2021

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    first digit is year, 2nd digit/letter is month your left with 4 digits which as you note is 10,000. Which means they can do 10,000 a month they can also roll over the last 4 digits at any time as long as they do not break more then 10k a month.
     
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  13. inchpincher Has your missing inches Feb 16, 2021

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    The serial number is interesting and would definitely make me pay a bit more but I feel the condition of the actual watch may negate any premium. It’s definitely well worn, the gold medallion is beginning to show signs, the crystal is chipped at 3, and a few case knocks too. If it’s going to be worn then no big deal but you mentioned your purchases are 80% investment in which case I’m not sure this was a winner.
     
  14. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 16, 2021

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    Based on Seiko’s numbering system, theoretically, there could be a watch with the same exact serial number produced every 10 years (December 1960, 1980, 1990, etc) or in the same month and year if production exceeded 10,000 for that month. Hardly unique.

    But highly unlikely that if there was a duplicate serial number produced in the same month, that it would be of the same model.
    gatorcpa
     
  15. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 16, 2021

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    Translation from Google Translate App:
    Apparently, Anshindo is still selling high-end Seikos today.

    https://www.anshindo-grp.co.jp/watch/brand/gs.html

    gatorcpa
     
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  16. kaplan Feb 16, 2021

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    Honestly I regret so so so so many of my recent purchases but I don't regret this one

    If money was no object, I'd 100% buy this anyway, as it's not a random watch for me, it's a watch I care about

    It's not a "Grammar of Design" watch by the way, that might be the only shortcoming, so instead of being a "Japanese Tank" - it's more like a "Japanese Hovercraft" :D

    I suspect I overpaid somewhere around $200 - the condition of the watch/dial makes it $500-ish, the buckle is $80+ - the box/papers/tag the bundle probably bumps it $100 - the rest paid for the serial
     
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  17. pongster Feb 19, 2021

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    My initials are PP. So does that mean ...
     
  18. pongster Feb 19, 2021

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    It might still be the first of its kind.
     
  19. Screwbacks Feb 19, 2021

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  20. Dan S Feb 19, 2021

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    In the end, the only thing that really matters is the enjoyment you get from the watch.
     
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