It was in the showcase of an old watch dealer in NYC. I have never seen a red hand but, he swears it is original. It has straight writing on the back and was the most chocolate dial I had ever seen. Now I am trying to pry it from his hands..
He can swear all he likes but I have seen no evidence that this is likely to be original from the factory. It doesn't look like the other orange hands I have seen on Speedmasters.
The h/m hands look in better condition than the dial, suggesting that they did not share their entire lives together.
None of which would stop me trying to buy it.......
If he will sell it, I will buy it and switch out the hands for certain. The dial is crazy nice in person, but the lume is shot.
Interesting find. How much is he asking for it.
He wants $4000, but he "doesnt want to sell it"
Its also got a 1039 bracelet on it which I think is incorrect.
Sounds like a FrankenSpeedy
I think that the red hand may be from a chronostop.
Also, you're a brave soul to deal with a NY used watch dealer. I've lived here most of my life and I would rather chance it with ebay/the forums...even when the photos are blurry!
Regardless, it has original case, case back, bezel, dial and movement. Changing out the hands is nothing, the meat of the watch is all there and it happens to be a fairly rare straight back and deep chocolate dial. I hope he sells it, I will make her a beauty..
Be careful there. He already lied* to you once. Were you able to look at the movement?
*For the benefit of readers who may not know (like me!), there may have been some 1967 speedmasters with orange/red hands. Googling shows hits:
Looks like he has some other decent pieces too
I dont think he "lied" I think he believes it to be original as he has owned the watch for 30+ years this way. I would check the movement and open it before I bought it but, this guy is no liar. A hard negotiator and true salesmen, but hes not intentionally lying.
That the chinatown dealer guy?
even though its the wrong chrono hand and lume is shot. That chocolate dial makes up for it!
If he named a price, he wants to sell it. If the dial is as you say, the other issues are relatively easy to fix.
Reverse physcology so you'll offer more rather than haggle
All you vintage experts would know better then most, is 4k even worth it for this piece?
On its 1039 bracelet, probably. Looks true chocolate if you're into the defect thing, but that lume is grody to the max.
I sold a 1039 bracelet to a kid who had a speedy with what he claims was an original red hand on his.
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