Vintage Omegas as Investments

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Big picture: Vintage omega prices will mirror how the global economy is doing. I started collecting in 2008 and the accumulated many nice pieces at reasonable prices in those first few years.

More focused picture: If investment is your priority AND you have the funds buy the best examples of the following models:

Cal. 321 speedmasters esp. the straight lug ones
Cal. 33.3 steel chronographs esp. the screwback ones
Straight lug SM300s with intact original bezels and the military issued ones
Railmaster and their variants

Honorable mentions:

RAF '53 TA with either nice original dials and even the Bienne replacement dials (not many of those around)
First run 600 Cal. 30 manual winds (there were ever only 600 of them and would be surprised if more than 3-4 dozen in decent quality survive to this day)
Ranchero - extra points for center seconds
Triple Date Moonphase only IF all the functions work AND the dial is original and in excellent shape; extra points for the square and jumbo versions
Scientific dial Rg manual wind - extra points for the larger versions
Original black dial constellation - extra points if piepan arrowhead or textured arrowhead or rose gold markers

There are pockets of truly rare models that I'm not listing here like WG early connies and "sparkle dial" seamasters, cloisonne dial connies and seamasters, synchrobeat, piepan arrowhead seamasters, legit prototypes etc.

But remember these models don't have to be just good they have to be premium - among the top 5% of examples - to be considered truly investment grade. And it takes A LOT of work to get to the point where you can pick these examples out with relative ease. I could have easily gotten another post-graduate degree (or 3) with the time I've invested - by my estimation at least 10,000 hours. Others like @@mac_omega have invested far more time than I have.
 
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In short, if you have to ask "I'm looking at this watch, is it a good investment", it almost certainly isn't.
 
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10,000 hours = 1000 days of work = @2500 a day that's $2,500,000. Quite an opportunity cost for some people over 10 years.

I guess you can look at it as an investment in yourself and your happiness. Self fulfillment through enjoying your hobby!
 
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The problem is objects that are thought of as investments today can fall out of favor in the future, and vice versa. My goal is happiness investment, if I can buy something, enjoy it and eventually recoup most of the money upon selling it my dividend was the happiness it gave me over the years by owning it.
 
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Great analysis @MSNWatch

I’ve spent a silly amount of time in this hobby too.

As I´m old enough to remember some bubbles, like art in the 80´ies, in the part of the world I belong to, I do not trust that vintage watches is a good place to invest in, in the long run.

I started to collect in the autumn of 2005, and made many good buys, in hindsight, during the subsequent 10 years. I would have loved to kept many of them, but couldn´t motivate myself doing so given the development of prices. Buying has been impossible since 2017, because of IMO ridiculous prices.

So today I’ve sold most of my collection, and I don’t regret it for a second 😀 Those I have left are those that I can wear, I’m very happy with that!
 
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10,000 hours = 1000 days of work = @2500 a day that's $2,500,000. Quite an opportunity cost for some people over 10 years.

I guess you can look at it as an investment in yourself and your happiness. Self fulfillment through enjoying your hobby!

That's one way to look at it but the time I devoted to this study is time I didn't spend on social media - zero time on Facebook, Instagram and the like so in that sense it's a plus!
 
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Nearly all the watches I over payed for due to condition years ago are worth the most today.
Also buying and keeping. Never loose a cent if you keep 😉
 
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Watches are not investments. they are expensive toys.
They can be either depending on which model you buy, that was what Mike was outlining in his post and he's very correct.
 
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They can be either depending on which model you buy, that was what Mike was outlining in his post and he's very correct.

Investments are things that pay dividends..... by definition.
 
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I would say almost every vintage omega would have been a investment if you would have start buying 10/15 years ago. All those speedmasters and 300's which were bought cheap are now worth nice cars. But I once had two houses which were worth more then 1 mln and then the crisis started which had a very negative effect on the prices and my mental state. So fu### investments. Buy to enjoy. Dont put it in a safe. You only live once. Peace...
 
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The problem is objects that are thought of as investments today can fall out of favor in the future, and vice versa. My goal is happiness investment, if I can buy something, enjoy it and eventually recoup most of the money upon selling it my dividend was the happiness it gave me over the years by owning it.
i totally agree. Buy what you love.
 
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Investments are things that pay dividends..... by definition.
Not really. Ever get a dividend from a piece of raw land? A rare coin? Gold?

[T]he outlay of money usually for income or profit : capital outlay
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/investment

There are plenty of investments that don't yield dividends or interest, but will gain value in a strong economy and lose value in a weak one.

If you've ever seen any of the watches that @MSNWatch buys, you'd understand the meaning of the term "investor grade".
gatorcpa
 
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Not really. Ever get a dividend from a piece of raw land? A rare coin? Gold?



There are plenty of investments that don't yield dividends or interest, but will gain value in a strong economy and lose value in a weak one.

If you've ever seen any of the watches that @MSNWatch buys, you'd understand the meaning of the term "investor grade".
gatorcpa

They are not investments in the true sense of the word then.

As the owner of more than 750 watches bought over the last 35 years.... I think I understand capital growth.

These are called assets, NOT investments!!
 
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These are called assets, NOT investments!!
If someone buys any asset with the expectation of a profit, it is an investment by definition.

However, I agree with you that no watch should be an investment.

But many wind up that way. (Bad pun!)
gatorcpa
 
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Investments are things that pay dividends..... by definition.

Like when each morning putting on a loved watch?
 
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Capital appreciation and dividend income are very different things
Investments are things that pay dividends..... by definition.
Capital appreciation and dividend income are different things and different facets of an investment asset.
Investments can have either and be both and are not necessarily both or either.
Watches as investments are very high risk assets and as far as investments go are for the very specialist and most likely very diversified investor, if viewed as purely as an investment asset. They do not pay dividends.
Myself, I buy watches that, should the monetary value drop, I still am happy to own.
 
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Ergo, my watches aren’t viewed as “investments” in the sense that equities or fixed income are...
 
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So do you do this as a main source of income. Are you amassing a certain dollar amount of watches with intent to sell at a certain time. It’s a funny thing with certain investments, you haven’t made a penny until you sell then have to worry about timing, too late, too soon.
I’m not critiquing I think it’s cool. I see a few people here saying they sell watches for a living. I guess it’s like any other retail business but low sell high, they aren’t selling to benefit the buyer. I’ve sold a few things some so I could a acquire something new and some were just offers I saw that would allow me to.
I can see it’s a lot of work. You need to have the knowledge, know what to look for, know what is original and what isn’t, fight the fakers and deal with a lot of competition.
I’m not looking to go into the watch business I just find it interesting.
 
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Investments are things that pay dividends..... by definition.

I guess by that definition Berkshire Hathaway hasn’t been a very good investment!
 
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I guess by that definition Berkshire Hathaway hasn’t been a very good investment!
I like growth more than dividends but I am for dividend and growth.