My opinion: IF the dial were very attractive and everything else was very nice and original, 14k would be about the upper limit for a 145.012 or 105.012. For me, this dial is not in the upper half of dials from that era. This watch, from what I see, is worth closer to 7k usd. So much relies on the dial appearance...not just cond. There are beautiful dials from this era, incl the 68 transitionals. So there is no "standard lyre lug" in my view. A beautiful dial can add or subtract thousands ....for me.