vintage constellation pie pan 18K with 14k strap

Chinomega · May 15, 2017

Dear all,

i am planning to buy one vintage constellation pie pan 18K with 14k strap, the ex-owner has original gold steel strap. but he used 14k strap instead of original.
please give me advice about general value of this kind.
I shall make decision this week.
Thanks in advance.
watch was bought in 1968. receipt included.

BenBagbag · May 15, 2017

You should do a bit of your own research. The reference number is always on the inside of the caseback. This one says 168.010/11 do some digging and let us know what you find!

Chinomega · May 15, 2017

BenBagbag
You should do a bit of your own research. The reference number is always on the inside of the caseback. This one says 168.010/11 do some digging and let us know what you find!

i am quiet new on collecting vintage master piece. i did some research on cal.564 means with date. but ref. number i didnt pay attention.

BenBagbag · May 15, 2017

Chinomega
i am quiet new on collecting vintage master piece. i did some research on cal.564 means with date. but ref. number i didnt pay attention.

Great! Let us know what you find! Ebay sold/completed listings is your friend...

Chinomega · May 15, 2017

BenBagbag
Great! Let us know what you find! Ebay sold/completed listings is your friend...

is that ref.nr present omega constellation pie pan series?

X350 XJR · May 15, 2017

The reference number is the key to researching most any Omega.

Pie-pan dials were offered on many different references additionally each reference may have many different dials.

Pie-pan is only a type of dial.

BartH · May 15, 2017

I think that in the flesh this looks like a pretty attractive 168.010 'hidden crown'. 👍

TexOmega · May 15, 2017

Rotor bushing is shot.

Very attractive example, though.

hoipolloi · May 15, 2017

TexOmega
Rotor bushing is shot.
.

Not quite 100% sure.
Sometimes, the old gasket collapsed and made the case back move closer to the movement than normal.
The case clamps got tired making the movement move out of original position.
Those problems can cause the rotor rubbing against the case back, not the rotor axle.

Peemacgee · May 15, 2017

Looks like a very tidy Connie
Comes with a BoR and box
Does it have papers and receipt or just receipt?
Not sure I'd pay for the 14k bracelet but that's a personal choice.
What's the asking price?

Chinomega · May 16, 2017

Peemacgee
Looks like a very tidy Connie
Comes with a BoR and box
Does it have papers and receipt or just receipt?
Not sure I'd pay for the 14k bracelet but that's a personal choice.
What's the asking price?

it has receipt and paper from 1968. as they mentioned from the seller side. i bid on it and got it for 2650usd.

Peemacgee · May 16, 2017

Chinomega
it has receipt and paper from 1968. as they mentioned from the seller side. i bid on it and got it for 2650usd.

Congratulations
A bit of a bargain IMHO if you take into account the gold weight of the after market bracelet
I'd sell that and put it back on the BoR
Just sought out the rotor rub before you wear it.
More pics when you receive it. 👍

Archer · May 16, 2017

hoipolloi
Not quite 100% sure.
Sometimes, the old gasket collapsed and made the case back move closer to the movement than normal.
The case clamps got tired making the movement move out of original position.
Those problems can cause the rotor rubbing against the case back, not the rotor axle.

Not sure how case clamps get tired, but 99% of the time (or more) when you see this kind of wear, it's the pinion (bushing) in the rotor being worn (not the axle). Simple fix, but often a sign of neglect and that other parts will be worn. I suppose the same could be said for case back gaskets that have turned to goop, and tired case clamps. Either way not a sign of the watch being well looked after.

Cheers, Al

hoipolloi · May 16, 2017

Archer
Not sure how case clamps get tired, but 99% of the time (or more) when you see this kind of wear, it's the pinion (bushing) in the rotor being worn (not the axle). Simple fix, but often a sign of neglect and that other parts will be worn. I suppose the same could be said for case back gaskets that have turned to goop, and tired case clamps. Either way not a sign of the watch being well looked after.

Cheers, Al

You can look at an old case clamp, look at the angle and know what I mean.
The best way to check is to lift the rotor and check the play.
A better way to tell is checking for the rubbing against the main movement plate.

Archer · May 16, 2017

hoipolloi
You can look at an old case clamp, look at the angle and know what I mean.
The best way to check is to lift the rotor and check the play.
A better way to tell is checking for the rubbing against the main movement plate.

Sure, case clamps can be bent, but they don't get that way on their own. You could also have an incorrect crystal pushing the movement further back in the case, distorted case, and I'm sure there are other reasons that one could dream up, but Occam's razor applies in this case.

Of course the best check is to look at the play of the rotor directly...

I service tons of these, and the correlation of case back marks and rotor wear to a worn pinion is .99. The reality is that it's very rare that it is anything but a worn pinion.

Cheers, Al

hoipolloi · May 16, 2017

Well, not all watches were serviced by you. Tons of them were played with by amateurs with any tools that they had at the moment before it came into your possession.
Sometimes changing an old O ring can solve the problems.

Archer · May 16, 2017

hoipolloi
Well, not all watches were serviced by you. Tons of them were played with by amateurs with any tools that they had at the moment before it came into your possession.
Sometimes changing an old O ring can solve the problems.

Indeed, I get watches in all the time that have been played with by people, some who even call themselves watchmakers. I've had these watches come in "serviced" with all kinds of hack work, so thick O-rings that someone has installed to prevent the scrubbing, rotors that were bent in all directions trying to get clearance, or someone "closing" the hole with a 3 sided punch, instead of fixing the real problem properly by replacing the worn pinion.

TexOmega · May 16, 2017

Chinomega
it has receipt and paper from 1968. as they mentioned from the seller side. i bid on it and got it for 2650usd.

Might as well start at the top.

Willem023 · May 20, 2017

Mmmm, with that engraving (although the medaillon looks fine), I would not pay over EUR 1600 for that. Plus EUR 250 service...... 😒

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