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Updated values for zenith a384/385/386/3817/3818

  1. chronoboy64 Jul 8, 2019

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    Great example, huge congrats and wear in good health :thumbsup:
    Can you please tell the ca. purchase price, because this thread is value related, thanks
     
  2. TOMMIG21 Jul 10, 2019

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    Thank you!

    7.5k. I was happy to pay some premium vs market price given overall condition and considering it came with signed original papers with matching serial number, name of the dealer and of the original owner, plus the 2017 Zenith service certification.

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  3. krh7 Jul 10, 2019

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    nice to see Zenith didn't screw it up during the service.
     
  4. barbecoa Jul 10, 2019

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    Hi Tommig21, what would you say is market price for a very good condition A384? You got one in outstanding condition with papers, original GF bracelet, etc. It's hard enough finding one so well preserved, and it doesn't seem like you paid a large premium.
    Also, do you think it's been polished?
    Thanks!
     
  5. TexOmega Jul 11, 2019

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    Very harsh lighting did this watch no favors.

    Don't do this!
     
  6. TOMMIG21 Jul 12, 2019

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    I think around 6.5k used to be a good price for a piece in nice condition without papers, but prices are moving higher (there is a nice example for sale by shucktheoyster, unpolished, nice dial but without the GF bracelet for 7.5k https://www.shucktheoyster.com/zenith-el-primero-a384-panda-vintage-chronograph/) probably around 7k (Zenith recently announced the re-issue of the A384 in steel for the 50th Anniversary of El Primero priced at €7.8k, and prices might adjust around that level or higher in the foreseeable future).

    As per your last question the case is unpolished (the dealer bought few months ago from the son of the original owner and did not touch it).

    Be careful because there are plenty of badly polished examples.
     
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  7. barbecoa Jul 12, 2019

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    Thanks, Tommig21. That's very helpful. - I also didn't realize you were talking euros and thought you were giving figures in USD.

    Congrats again on a great find. It's a beauty and even cooler that you got it from the original owner!
     
  8. Tbone Jul 23, 2019

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    Question:why do you think the A277 isn't amongst the list of 5 amazing Zeniths? (and why not six amazing Zeniths?)

    I'll add a photo to make it a more interesting question... 20190109_144633.jpg
     
  9. wristpirate Jul 23, 2019

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    I personally think the El Primeros are creeping away from the rest of the Zenith bunch. If you collect Rolex everyone talks about Zenith Daytona. Those collectors are only interested in El Primeros as that’s what they see as the derivative. Any manual winds are not interesting enough. I love my El Primeros and think they are crazy undervalued.

    It’s like Omega and the Speedmasters where they have become a sub category of collecting
     
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  10. chronoboy64 Jul 23, 2019

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    This Thread is about the „big early El Primero Models“ in general. The A277 is a great reference and very collectable IMHO. But it is a handwinder.
    Best luck !

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  11. preacher Jul 24, 2019

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    First of all a277 is fantastic.
    I’m not agree with you, A277 is expensive like or more than A384/A385.
    I don’t know the list of best 5 Zenith, but I would like to have A277.
    Some zenith are relatively unknown but the price are expensive, for e amplie A3736 is a chrono manualwinding less known than early el primero but it costs like A386.
    I think early El primeros are more underrated, don’t know why
     
  12. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Oct 16, 2019

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    Seems like it's in the Cool Aid they serve at Phillips auctions.
     
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  13. preacher Oct 23, 2019

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    Wow!
     
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  14. asrnj77 Oct 25, 2019

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    I saw that. There is an A385 on a bracelet for sale on Chrono24 for $5900. That’s like buying the bracelet and getting the watch as a bonus for $3900 if you follow the eBay methodology.
     
  15. preacher Oct 25, 2019

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    For me the lesson is not to buy an incomplete watch or with non-original parts, it would be too expensive to restore it
     
  16. Frederic_gva Oct 25, 2019

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    Price may not decrease.... and GF bracelet re issue is coming soon, so vintage bracelet will keep their value IMO
     
  17. preacher Jan 28, 2020

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    It looks like something is moving higher...
     
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  18. ANALOGUE Jan 28, 2020

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    Have allways thought that tropic A384 have been undervalued. However C24 is not the best place to get a fair value
     
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  19. jhross98 Jan 28, 2020

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    agree with both these sentiments. . i think the philips crazy auction result for a NOS a384 has definitely moved prices up but nowhere near as much as the asking prices indicate
     
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  20. wristpirate Jan 28, 2020

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    Yes the asking prices. Not the best indicator for sales prices unfortunately.
     
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