Universal Geneve Tri-Compax 22297 2

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Seriously, here's a first generation 1956 that was on ebay recently and that seems 100% original, even the crystal ! (different dial from your last photo, longer indexes and no circle around the date), you can see that the hands are "second" generation type but they are made for this dial (look at the end matching the markers. Sala's got these hands on the first generation aswell page 351. So I stick to all kind of mixing in the (long) transition period.


Saw this one also and was about to buy it for a projet with the later dial.
Both options are possible and acceptable 😀
 
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@Sethtdmp ...Thanks for tossing your watch to the "wolves" and adding to the knowledge base here. As you can see we LOVE a good dial debate here on UG forums! You can see there is considerable variation on dials. UG was very "fluid". So while your watch may have a later dial it is STILL a UG original and NOT a redial. Good reference thread created.

Still a very nice watch indeed, I would wear it for sure 😉👍
 
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Thanks for all the interest. I do not mind the intelligent debate at all. All comments are quite interesting and appreciated. I have never posted on the UG forum prior, but have posted on the Omega forum, as I have a rare square Omega TDMP with original black dial. I have a varied collection, mostly military wristwatches, but have always been fond of moon phase complications.
I bought the UG Tri-Compax 22297 2 from a dealer in New York, sometime back in 2001. The watch came with the dial pictured, vintage new old stock saddle leather band, as well as the UG steel buckle. I had not worn the watch for quite a while, so I decided a total mechanical overhaul was a good idea. It know keeps excellent time, all functions operate as intended, and the chronograph hand starts, stops, and centers perfectly. I am now going to wear it for a while. The dial is actually what attracted me to the watch in the first place, along with the "waterproof" case with round pushers.

 
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I have studied this possibility. I had the opportunity to buy this reference and a NOS dial from a 222100/2 and IMHO, this watch is a franken.

The number after the reference 222100, 1 or 2, refer to the dial with is on it.

222100/1, long indexes and no tachy





222100/2 with tacky scale



For the 22297, there is three possibility.

22297/1 with steel lumed indexes

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(redial)


22297/2, same indexes but in gold with hands in gold
as Larry




22297/3 with different indexes. Probably the later one which looks like the later dial. Hands are different also




Fully agree ...

Let's not forget that these are mid to late 50s references. There is also a 22297-4 but it is very different ...




In some circles, the Osvaldo tri compax references that are shown were considered oddities ...
 
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Contemplating this post I originally started about my Tri-Compax, I decided to E-mail pictures to Ben Newport-Foster, the founder of Timepiece Chronicle. Obviously James is the author of the informative articles on the 1940's, 50, and 60's Tri Compax variations. Pictures and information from his articles were used in this post in reference to correct dials for specific cases like my watch. James was kind enough to take the time to answer my inquiry about my case reference and whether the dial was correct for this case.
First I was flattered that someone of Ben's experience thought my watch is in his words "absolutely stunning". James went on to explain that "dating dials on a Tri-Compax is incredibly hard to do as there was such a variety, especially during the 1950's. He mentioned that "cases and movements are easier because they have reference numbers which allow a rudimentary categorization like my dating chart". Ben concludes that 'it was far more common back in the day for watch companies to make use of watch parts laying around rather than an incredibly controlled and strict process there is now".
I really appreciate all the interesting posts and comments, and I have at least one Tri Compax in my collection.
 
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thanks for the update @Sethtdmp - this is why we all get addicted to UG - the variety, the beauty, the mystery and lore...