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Universal Geneve Tri-Compax 22297 2

  1. Sethtdmp Oct 4, 2017

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    Hi,
    I wanted to share photos of my UG Tri-Compax 22297 2 which I purchased several years ago. The watch came complete with the UG box, on a vintage NOS watch strap with an original UG steel buckle. I recently had the watch completely overhauled, and just received it back from the watchmaker yesterday.

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  2. kreyke Oct 4, 2017

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    Very beautiful. Dibs [emoji4]

    edit: seems like I’ve got more studying to do.
     
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  3. bgrisso Oct 4, 2017

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    Awesome
     
  4. Florent Oct 4, 2017

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    Not sure if this dial belongs to this case. :unsure:
     
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  5. Diabolik Oct 4, 2017

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  6. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Oct 4, 2017

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    Posting only to clarify previous comments. Hands and dial should both have lume. My 22297-2 ..
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  7. Florent Oct 4, 2017

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    Nice watch @Larry S, and thanks for showing it.
     
  8. ELV web Oct 4, 2017

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    The OP is a “swiss T” not “T swiss T”, shouldn’t his mean that the hands have tritium and dial doesn’t and is correct?
     
  9. Florent Oct 4, 2017

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    OP dial is a later one, which usually comme with 222100/2
     
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  10. ELV web Oct 4, 2017

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    Okay understand now, it is a 1960 dial in a 1956 case. Thanks.
     
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  11. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Oct 4, 2017

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  12. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Oct 4, 2017

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    So it seems that there are lume marks somewhere on that dial. Still a nice piece.
     
  13. 10H10 Oct 5, 2017

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    Hi, IMHO Sala has not the absolute truth and this Tri is perfect to me, maybe the lume dots on indexes are gone but that's not a big issue to fix.
    In the auction "100 years", Oswaldo Patrizzi was the expert and a very famous one, here are two 50' Tri-Compaxes from this auction:

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  14. ELV web Oct 5, 2017

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    I think this is really what collecting UG is about. The liberty of the dial and the onerous verification by evidence that it requires :p
     
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  15. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Oct 5, 2017

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    Sala not the absolute truth???????? HERESY!!!!!! :whistling:
     
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  16. Florent Oct 5, 2017

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    I have studied this possibility. I had the opportunity to buy this reference and a NOS dial from a 222100/2 and IMHO, this watch is a franken.

    The number after the reference 222100, 1 or 2, refer to the dial with is on it.

    222100/1, long indexes and no tachy

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    222100/2 with tacky scale

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    For the 22297, there is three possibility.

    22297/1 with steel lumed indexes

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    (redial)
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    22297/2, same indexes but in gold with hands in gold
    as Larry

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    22297/3 with different indexes. Probably the later one which looks like the later dial. Hands are different also

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  17. 10H10 Oct 5, 2017

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    I think that Universal used both dials in the first version (with and without tachy) during the transition between the flat and the curved lugs in the late 50', BTW, some same dials are marked "swiss" and some "swiss T".
    Universal is known as not very strict in the use of dials for particular models
    I doubdt that Oswaldo Patrizzi doesn't know his job and can't spot frankens ::book::
     
  18. 10H10 Oct 5, 2017

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    Here's another version ;) ::facepalm2::

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  19. 10H10 Oct 5, 2017

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    Seriously, here's a first generation 1956 that was on ebay recently and that seems 100% original, even the crystal ! (different dial from your last photo, longer indexes and no circle around the date), you can see that the hands are "second" generation type but they are made for this dial (look at the end matching the markers. Sala's got these hands on the first generation aswell page 351. So I stick to all kind of mixing in the (long) transition period.

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  20. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Oct 5, 2017

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    @Sethtdmp ...Thanks for tossing your watch to the "wolves" and adding to the knowledge base here. As you can see we LOVE a good dial debate here on UG forums! You can see there is considerable variation on dials. UG was very "fluid". So while your watch may have a later dial it is STILL a UG original and NOT a redial. Good reference thread created.
     
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