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SOLD Universal Geneve "Auto-Rem", Company's First Automatic, 1925, Extremely Rare

  1. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Dec 15, 2013

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    Up for sale is an extremely rare Universal Geneve "Auto-Rem" automatic wristwatch.

    This exact watch was sold on Antiquorum in 1999 for almost $2800. Link Below.

    http://archive.is/2Nwh

    This watch was first produced in 1925 and was Universal Geneve's first automatic wristwatch. Extremely hard to find.

    The 15 jewel movement is running strong. It was one of the first automatic movements ever made, and as such, can only be wound by rotating the rotor. The crown is very small because its only role is to set the time.

    In running condition. Keeps time.

    28-28mm in diameter.

    $999 OBO through Paypal

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  2. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Dec 16, 2013

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    Curses :mad:

    I've just bought a square watch here, and have something on the boil from the bay (fingers crossed).

    Annie will not be pleased if I splash the Christmas fund :thumbsdown:

    Good luck with the sale!
     
  3. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Dec 16, 2013

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    But Jim... this one is octagonal. Not square at all, really. Surely the wife will understand.
     
  4. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Dec 17, 2013

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  5. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Dec 20, 2013

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    Price reduced!
     
  6. HOROLOGIST007 Jan 16, 2014

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    Hi
    It is an interesting watch as far as early automatics is concerned.
    The patent was granted 17th November 1932.
    Where does 1925 fit in? The original caliber (manual) movement
    Thanks to confirm
    Adam
     
  7. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jan 16, 2014

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  8. HOROLOGIST007 Jan 16, 2014

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    Hi, somehow the facts dont stack that up.
    First I have the patent, both applied and granted, and no patent takes 7 yrs to grant (1925-1932). Additionally I have over 20 books (some vintage) on the all early automatics. No mention of this in 1925.
    Actually it would beet Harwoods patent (as far as production goes) and it is universally recognized that he invented the first production automatic wristwatch.

    No, to me this is like the 'Truth Behind The Myth' that Rolex made the first automatic in 1931. all incorrect.

    Anyway, it was/is an interesting piece that I understand is now sold.
    Excellent to both seller and buyer

    Regards
    adam
     
  9. ulackfocus Jan 16, 2014

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    Hi Adam!


    Can the OP / seller confirm this? I'll mark the thread SOLD if so.
     
  10. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jan 16, 2014

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    He did to us in a separate conversation, so I changed the mark.

    Anyway, if the deal falls through, seller knows where to find Adam.
    gatorcpa
     
  11. HOROLOGIST007 Jan 16, 2014

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    Hi Dennis
    I hope you do not mind me joining here.
    Not looking for confrontation, just to discuss Horology.
    Sincerely
    adam
    PS. Yes OP sold it.
     
  12. ulackfocus Jan 16, 2014

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    No worries Adam. We're glad to have you.
     
  13. HOROLOGIST007 Jan 16, 2014

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    Thanks
    Maybe if I came earlier I would have owned this early, but I think not 1925 automatic.
    What is also interesting its an oblong (square) case
    ALL others that made automatics in not round cases used very different and weird mechanisms like Autorist, Frey Perpetual, Rolls to name a few.
    Thats why I LOVE Horology.
    Just when you thought you knew it all - you find the unexpected
    Adam