Universal Geneve "Auto-Rem", Company's First Automatic, 1925, Extremely Rare

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Modest_Proposal

·Dec 15, 2013

Price Reduced!

Up for sale is an extremely rare Universal Geneve "Auto-Rem" automatic wristwatch.

This exact watch was sold on Antiquorum in 1999 for almost $2800. Link Below.

http://archive.is/2Nwh

This watch was first produced in 1925 and was Universal Geneve's first automatic wristwatch. Extremely hard to find.

The 15 jewel movement is running strong. It was one of the first automatic movements ever made, and as such, can only be wound by rotating the rotor. The crown is very small because its only role is to set the time.

In running condition. Keeps time.

28-28mm in diameter.

$999 OBO through Paypal

 

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JimInOz

·Dec 16, 2013·Melbourne Australia

Curses 😡

I've just bought a square watch here, and have something on the boil from the bay (fingers crossed).

Annie will not be pleased if I splash the Christmas fund 👎

Good luck with the sale!

 

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MMMD

·Dec 16, 2013

But Jim... this one is octagonal. Not square at all, really. Surely the wife will understand.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Dec 17, 2013

bump

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Dec 20, 2013

Price reduced!

 

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HOROLOGIST007

·Jan 16, 2014

Hi
It is an interesting watch as far as early automatics is concerned.
The patent was granted 17th November 1932.
Where does 1925 fit in? The original caliber (manual) movement
Thanks to confirm
Adam

 

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gatorcpa

·Jan 16, 2014·ΩF InvestiGator

Here is info that was taken from Universal's web site

http://www.manleyhorlogerie.com/Watch_History/universal_geneve.htm

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Genève

It says that production began in 1925. It is possible that production started under a "patent pending" until final approval was granted.

That's the best explanation I could come up with.

Good luck,
gatorcpa

 

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HOROLOGIST007

·Jan 16, 2014

gatorcpa

Here is info that was taken from Universal's web site

http://www.manleyhorlogerie.com/Watch_History/universal_geneve.htm

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Genève

It says that production began in 1925. It is possible that production started under a "patent pending" until final approval was granted.

That's the best explanation I could come up with.

Good luck,
gatorcpa

Hi, somehow the facts dont stack that up.
First I have the patent, both applied and granted, and no patent takes 7 yrs to grant (1925-1932). Additionally I have over 20 books (some vintage) on the all early automatics. No mention of this in 1925.
Actually it would beet Harwoods patent (as far as production goes) and it is universally recognized that he invented the first production automatic wristwatch.

No, to me this is like the 'Truth Behind The Myth' that Rolex made the first automatic in 1931. all incorrect.

Anyway, it was/is an interesting piece that I understand is now sold.
Excellent to both seller and buyer

Regards
adam

 

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ulackfocus

·Jan 16, 2014

Hi Adam!

HOROLOGIST007

Anyway, it was/is an interesting piece that I understand is now sold.

Can the OP / seller confirm this? I'll mark the thread SOLD if so.

 

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gatorcpa

·Jan 16, 2014·ΩF InvestiGator

U ulackfocus

Can the OP / seller confirm this? I'll mark the thread SOLD if so.

He did to us in a separate conversation, so I changed the mark.

Anyway, if the deal falls through, seller knows where to find Adam.
gatorcpa

 

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HOROLOGIST007

·Jan 16, 2014

U ulackfocus

Hi Adam!




Can the OP / seller confirm this? I'll mark the thread SOLD if so.

Hi Dennis
I hope you do not mind me joining here.
Not looking for confrontation, just to discuss Horology.
Sincerely
adam
PS. Yes OP sold it.

 

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ulackfocus

·Jan 16, 2014

No worries Adam. We're glad to have you.

 

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HOROLOGIST007

·Jan 16, 2014

Thanks
Maybe if I came earlier I would have owned this early, but I think not 1925 automatic.
What is also interesting its an oblong (square) case
ALL others that made automatics in not round cases used very different and weird mechanisms like Autorist, Frey Perpetual, Rolls to name a few.
Thats why I LOVE Horology.
Just when you thought you knew it all - you find the unexpected
Adam