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A Canadian friend has sold a Hamilton model 21 marine chronometer to a collector in California. What are the considerations regarding shipping this chronometer, and avoiding “problems” with U S Customs? I have been told that if such an item is shipped as “antique clock for parts or repair” it should avoid problems. Does anyone have helpful suggestions?
 
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To avoid "problems" with customs, declare what it is and the price paid. Lying on the paperwork is illegal and if customs opens the box (which they can do) and sees it is not as described, then it will likely be held and the buyer will never get it.

Now, if it is a non-working clock being shipped to California for repair, then that is fine for the description. But if your friend is trying to save the seller from paying taxes by lying (which is what I assume you mean by "problems") then your friend has the risk of the item being seized, which is a bigger "problem" than a few dollars in customs fees. Is it a big risk? Probably not. Are the taxes due going to be that much? Also, probably not. Each American citizen can import $750 of items at a time tax-free. Unless this Chronometer cost $100k, I would expect custom taxes to be well under $100. US Customs might not even bother collecting.
 
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US Customs might not even bother collecting.

Federal Customs won't - nothing bothers them unless it's industrial-scale.

California's Department of Tax and Fee Administration will come after your buyer for every last cent though. Most states don't care but CA is particularly money hungry.
 
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Donn,

Thank you for your very helpful reply. The chronometer runs nicely, even though it was last serviced 35 years ago, by me. So it is (in fact) being shipped from Canada for repair, once I find a U S based shop that will service it. It would then go to its new U S based owner. I have forwarded your helpful reply to both the seller and the buyer, and will sit back and let them decide what they want to do.

The decision may be that the owner will ask me to service it (which I can, and would if it comes to it). But it is my feeling that he really should have a trustworthy shop in the U S on whom he can reply for service and for warranty, going forward.
 
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It sounds to me like the repair issue is not relevant in this case, since the clock will not be returned to Canada. It is being imported into the US in its current condition. The lack of servicing is perhaps relevant to the current value. You will need to fill out a watch worksheet. This is the DHL version I happen to have on hand.

 
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The Canadian seller has had previous experience shipping collectible watches to the U S. So she has had some experience. She has talked to U P S about the shipping. She is prepared to absorb any fees that might come to light. Thanks all for your help.
 
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It sounds to me like the repair issue is not relevant in this case, since the clock will not be returned to Canada. It is being imported into the US in its current condition. The lack of servicing is perhaps relevant to the current value. You will need to fill out a watch worksheet. This is the DHL version I happen to have on hand.
The FedEx form is similar.
 
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It sounds to me like the repair issue is not relevant in this case, since the clock will not be returned to Canada.

Exactly, this should be sent to the buyer first, who can then send it to whatever shop they want to. Otherwise the shop may end up having to pay, and then get reimbursement from the buyer...best to avoid getting a third party involved.
 
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A Canadian friend has sold a Hamilton model 21 marine chronometer to a collector in California. What are the considerations regarding shipping this chronometer, and avoiding “problems” with U S Customs? I have been told that if such an item is shipped as “antique clock for parts or repair” it should avoid problems. Does anyone have helpful suggestions?

I just took delivery of a watch that came in from France. The seller declared it as “vintage watch.”It satin Chicago customs for 7 business days and took a total of 10 to get. Customs never opened the box.

The month prior I bought from a seller in Egypt and it took 4 days total. Customs sliced open the UPS bag, and opened the watch box, and didn’t bother to tape either back up.

Sometimes it just depends on how backed up US customs is.

I doubt it matters what the seller calls it, “vintage watch”, “watch” or “watch for repair”.

Both were under $500 declared value
 
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Both were under $500 declared value
And that is the key statement. US Customs doesn't care until the value is more than (if I remember right) $2500.
 
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And that is the key statement. US Customs doesn't care until the value is more than (if I remember right) $2500.
But even then we have it pretty light. I had a $6.5k camera system shipped from AU to US via UPS and got a bill a month or so later for the customs handling of $85. Compared to what our UK and EU friends are seeing, I’m not complaining.
 
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Compared to what our UK and EU friends are seeing, I’m not complaining.
Agreed! In 2020 I imported a $3,900 watch from Switzerland to US and paid $52 in customs. As tax season drew near, being in California, I got a notice that I owed an additional ~$140 in Use Tax for the watch. I did my homework prior to the purchase and expected this, so I’m not complaining. I do, however, suggest that people look into their state import polices before making a high value purchase.
 
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But even then we have it pretty light. I had a $6.5k camera system shipped from AU to US via UPS and got a bill a month or so later for the customs handling of $85. Compared to what our UK and EU friends are seeing, I’m not complaining.
Ok. That's it! I'm moving to the US!!!
 
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Ok. That's it! I'm moving to the US!!!

We would be happy to have you. 👍
(Unfortunately, housing is currently a bit of an issue ...)
 
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We would be happy to have you. 👍
(Unfortunately, housing is currently a bit of an issue ...)
Not for long!
 
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Which shipping service you go through can drastically effect how efficiently it goes through Customs. I bought a watch from Italy and it was shipped through Fed Ex and it disappeared for ten days into their Customs office in Memphis (the center that all international FedEx items must go through). I could get no answer as to when it might be released...not even a month. I finally declined delivery and had the watch returned to the shipper. At the same time, someone else bought a watch of equal value from a dealer in the UK. The watch was shipped by DHL. The total time, from when picked up at the seller's, to when it was on the wrist of the buyer in Los Angeles, was 3 days, including Customs. That is because it went to Customs in Los Angeles, not the giant FedEx hub in Memphis. The duty on the watch was $42.
 
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Which shipping service you go through can drastically effect how efficiently it goes through Customs. I bought a watch from Italy and it was shipped through Fed Ex and it disappeared for ten days into their Customs office in Memphis (the center that all international FedEx items must go through). I could get no answer as to when it might be released...not even a month. I finally declined delivery and had the watch returned to the shipper. At the same time, someone else bought a watch of equal value from a dealer in the UK. The watch was shipped by DHL. The total time, from when picked up at the seller's, to when it was on the wrist of the buyer in Los Angeles, was 3 days, including Customs. That is because it went to Customs in Los Angeles, not the giant FedEx hub in Memphis. The duty on the watch was $42.
Yep, right now US Customs is a hit or miss affair, often depending on who's handling the customs clearance in the US. In February I had a watch sent from a dealer in Japan via DHL, while the plane was still in the air over the Pacific I received an email from DHL Customs agent informing me of the duty due on the watch, they provided a link so I could pay by credit card and the watch got to me in a total of five days. In March a watch from eastern Europe via FedEx got to Memphis on Friday, cleared customs the following Monday and just disappeared for five days. After contacting them about the 'lost' package they did a trace and a callback from an agent at the Memphis hub said they were experiencing a 5-10 day delay AFTER a package leaves customs until it moves back into the FedEx system for delivery. Total shipping time ended up being fourteen days. Last month I ordered a watch print from the UK, sent via Royal Mail which then transferred to USPS once it got to the US. It got to the International Postal Center in Chicago on April 28th and just today, fourteen days later, I got an update saying the item is now moving again. It was sent on April 25th and if I get it tomorrow it will be about eighteen days in transit. Frustrating, but there isn't much you can do but have patience. Some shippers are just more efficient than others.
 
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Yep, right now US Customs is a hit or miss affair, often depending on who's handling the customs clearance in the US. In February I had a watch sent from a dealer in Japan via DHL, while the plane was still in the air over the Pacific I received an email from DHL Customs agent informing me of the duty due on the watch, they provided a link so I could pay by credit card and the watch got to me in a total of five days. In March a watch from eastern Europe via FedEx got to Memphis on Friday, cleared customs the following Monday and just disappeared for five days. After contacting them about the 'lost' package they did a trace and a callback from an agent at the Memphis hub said they were experiencing a 5-10 day delay AFTER a package leaves customs until it moves back into the FedEx system for delivery. Total shipping time ended up being fourteen days. Last month I ordered a watch print from the UK, sent via Royal Mail which then transferred to USPS once it got to the US. It got to the International Postal Center in Chicago on April 28th and just today, fourteen days later, I got an update saying the item is now moving again. It was sent on April 25th and if I get it tomorrow it will be about eighteen days in transit. Frustrating, but there isn't much you can do but have patience. Some shippers are just more efficient than others.

Sounds like my nightmare...but DHL seems to shine and deliver in a timely way in all these examples.
 
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Sounds like my nightmare...but DHL seems to shine and deliver in a timely way in all these examples.

I had a horrible experience with DHL, which exposed a total breakdown in their logistics and communication with respect to US Customs. I think I already told the story and don't have the patience to type it again. Despite speaking with customer service 5 times and doing everything they requested (including providing them with a correct watch worksheet by email multiple times), and each time they told me it was all set, the watch was ultimately sent back to Japan after two weeks in Cincinnati. Every time I called them, they were able to call up my previous service calls and verify that I had sent them all the required documents, yet still they could not figure out how to get the package released. Even when it was sent back, they couldn't provide a clear rationale. One person told me it was because they couldn't get the worksheet logged correctly, someone else told me they thought it might have been due to explosives. It was a pathetic mess.

Don't kid yourself that things will go smoothly just because you choose a particular courier service.
They can all have problems. For my money, FedEx is best overall, the most professional and organized on the whole.
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