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..I believe Omega should have a strong word with their boutiques, because the flipper men clearly had a heads up on the release date and time....

I don't think Omega cares to control any of this -- why would they? after all, this is business w/the goal to maximize profits (same as flippers)...and now they have a very efficient method to get rid of inventory - by selling directly online to the consumer (no AD middle man, no discounts).
 
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I don't think Omega cares to control any of this -- why would they? after all, this is business w/the goal to maximize profits (same as flippers)...and now they have a very efficient method to get rid of inventory - by selling directly online to the consumer (no AD middle man, no discounts).

Correct but they also spent a good amount of time on canceling orders of known flippers and suspicious orders, like people who ordered one for their mother, one for their dog etcetera. So this seems to be a more personal approach to prevent the watches ending up in the hands of flippers. That's mostly thanks to the effort of Robert-Jan Broer ofcourse. I don't mind people flipping their watches, but with the ST2 it's a ridiculous amount of people who only bought it to make a quick buck. Around 72 have been sold on Chrono24 and still 60 available at the moment (a couple used ones). Add the few on Ebay and other sites and we might end up with 200? OK still just 10% of the total, but with 10.000 on the waiting list, there are a lot of people who missed out on one.
 
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hey that looks like a minor brandishing a weapon! 馃槻
Got your attention! 馃槈 Wasn't certain whether she's a minor or just a starving supermodel but decided to go with it.
 
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I wonder, is selling a limited edition watch for more than you paid for it bottom feeding? I cannot see the evil in it. We all had the chance to try to buy one, (true, a little effort was required) and the market sets the price. No dealer is going to get very fat dealing in UM's as I dont see the volumes.

Of all the trading behavior in today's vintage watch market, I feel flipping a limited edition is way down the list. I would not hold that fact that a seller has flipped an UM against him.

Also if you don鈥檛 agree with flipping - then don鈥檛 buy from them.

But mostly I feel the UM reissue is like all the other reissues. Fun to look at and causes a lot of immediate interest, but little longevity. After all it鈥檚 a modern watch. With a few too many design tips from too many people. Like it鈥檚 predessor the ST1 I loved the idea but when it came to reaching into my pocket I swerved.

The modern snoopy and the Japan Racing are the only two limited editions of this century that have increased in value. So that鈥檚 two. And the Japan Racing did not take off until quite recently.

So the flippers are taking a risk. As we can see, if you bought a UM or an ST1 for profit then, well, you didn鈥檛 - unless you sold it almost immediately.
 
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The modern snoopy and the Japan Racing are the only two limited editions of this century that have increased in value. So that鈥檚 two. And the Japan Racing did not take off until quite recently.

unfortunately, so did the Gemini IV... I can't believe I tried to negociate one down from CHF5K to CHF4.5K three years ago 馃槵
 
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unfortunately, so did the Gemini IV... I can't believe I tried to negociate one down from CHF5K to CHF4.5K three years ago 馃槵

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I told you ! 馃槣
 
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unfortunately, so did the Gemini IV... I can't believe I tried to negociate one down from CHF5K to CHF4.5K three years ago 馃槵
I am such a Luddite. I don鈥檛 even know what that is...ok. Now I do (early morning here)
So three limiteds up in value. So maybe I am wrong with my reasoning. However it may be some time until the ST1 and 2 increase.
 
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So three limiteds up in value.

TinTin is another good example. I see one for sale here for 9k? Huh, last year those from a Japanese stock were still selling for around 3 馃え
And Apollo XIII LE above 10k. And Italian Albino around 15... I believe there are more than a handful where the demand has dramatically increased, and the asking prices 馃槈
 
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TinTin is another good example. I see one for sale here for 9k? Huh, last year those from a Japanese stock were still selling for around 3 馃え
And Apollo XIII LE above 10k. And Italian Albino around 15... I believe there are more than a handful where the demand has dramatically increased, and the asking prices 馃槈
And the Alaska, Apollo/Soyuz meteorite.
 
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Flipping reduces supply.

Reduced supply drums up excitement.

Excitement increases demand.

People who would have never been interested in the watch to begin with then get interested.

Thus, this helps maintain a healthy secondary market value. This is good for EVERYONE.

Even better for those who genuinely wanted and missed out and subsequently had to pay a $400 premium. At least the watch they paid a small premium on will stay close to MSRP or will possibly increase...

Flipping is really no different than hoarding on watches for investment purposes, when it comes down to it. You are putting watches in a safe that get worn less than 1x a year and preventing others from being able to own and enjoy.

Both Flipping and Investing are certainly okay in my book!
 
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I wonder, is selling a limited edition watch for more than you paid for it bottom feeding? I cannot see the evil in it. We all had the chance to try to buy one, (true, a little effort was required) and the market sets the price. No dealer is going to get very fat dealing in UM's as I dont see the volumes.

Of all the trading behavior in today's vintage watch market, I feel flipping a limited edition is way down the list. I would not hold that fact that a seller has flipped an UM against him.

Also if you don鈥檛 agree with flipping - then don鈥檛 buy from them.

But mostly I feel the UM reissue is like all the other reissues. Fun to look at and causes a lot of immediate interest, but little longevity. After all it鈥檚 a modern watch. With a few too many design tips from too many people. Like it鈥檚 predessor the ST1 I loved the idea but when it came to reaching into my pocket I swerved.

The modern snoopy and the Japan Racing are the only two limited editions of this century that have increased in value. So that鈥檚 two. And the Japan Racing did not take off until quite recently.

So the flippers are taking a risk. As we can see, if you bought a UM or an ST1 for profit then, well, you didn鈥檛 - unless you sold it almost immediately.

I don't mind people selling their watch with profit, good for them! But snatching away watches from people who actually want to wear them (and want to purchase them at retail price ) is a different story. The problem is related to the online sale ofcourse, where not everyone gets a fair chance of buying it, without prior notice.

And I haven't seen a ST1 or ST2 below retail, not even used. The Apollo 11 45th and TinTin are well above retail as well. It seems the non-professional Speedies are always available below retail, just look at the CK2998 and 1957 trilogy models. The link to the space programme seems to be important amongst collectors.

And flippers are not really taking a risk. Only the ST1 and ST2 had to be purchased at retail price, while they can get all the others models with discounts. And even if these sell it after one year, it's most likely still profit.
 
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TinTin is another good example. I see one for sale here for 9k? Huh, last year those from a Japanese stock were still selling for around 3 馃え
And Apollo XIII LE above 10k. And Italian Albino around 15... I believe there are more than a handful where the demand has dramatically increased, and the asking prices 馃槈

European Watch just sold a Tin Tin for around $9500 i think.That might have set the market and others are following.
 
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And even if these sell it after one year, it's most likely still profit.

If you have to put 7k down for a year to make a couple of hundreds of profit, it's not really worth it imo. Especially if you proceed like most of those BNIB sellers who didn't even enjoy the watch in the mean time. 馃槜
 
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If you have to put 7k down for a year to make a couple of hundreds of profit, it's not really worth it imo. Especially if you proceed like most of those BNIB sellers who didn't even enjoy the watch in the mean time. 馃槜

Well if that鈥檚 the minimal risk, it鈥檚 better than starting a savings account at your bank. With the current trend it鈥檚 a better investment than putting money aside. But as Wei Koh recently mentioned in an unboxing video: flippers better should consider prostituting themselves if they care so much about making a quick buck.
 
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Well if that鈥檚 the minimal risk, it鈥檚 better than starting a savings account at your bank. With the current trend it鈥檚 a better investment than putting money aside. But as Wei Koh recently mentioned in an unboxing video: flippers better should consider prostituting themselves if they care so much about making a quick buck.

It is true. Making money is all about where you draw the line.
 
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...and who you draw it on.

Edit : spoken as someone with a few lines on him 馃榾
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.. I cannot see the evil in it.

.. I don't mind people flipping their watches...

I don't see evil in their intent (take some risk, invest and make some $$), nor have anything against these Sellers - is up to buyers to decide how much a flipped <item> is worth to them; but the skepticism flag waves on front of me when I read on the ad the "unfortunate events" that's forcing the sale of these LE watches... c'mon just save the extra bologna for breakfast 馃榿
 
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unfortunately, so did the Gemini IV... I can't believe I tried to negociate one down from CHF5K to CHF4.5K three years ago 馃槵

I negotiated down on this one...20% (from a jeweler). But that was 4+ years ago. It came with a sales receipt from when it was purchased 12+ years ago. Back then they were selling for ~$3000. Also know as the best ever Limited Edition Speedmaster. 馃榾

 
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For me, it's some of the false pretense for flipping that turns me off. If a flipper wants to flip, just sell the damn thing but don't tell us it wasn't for you..or moved on...or...whatever..