Ultraman at Christies

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I am interested in a vintage Ultramar, and I see one is for sale at Christies. Any advice if this is a correct one? Also what do you all think is a correct market price for one now. Any advice appreciated!

Thanks!
 
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Lots of lume-loss. Not sure about the dial color or lume color for the Ultraman TBH (hopefully the experts will chime in).



To my eye, that orange looks too 'fresh orange' and not 'dark 70's orange' (edit : but I may be wrong, would need to see it in-hand I think, looking again puts me on the fence as to whether it’s authentic vintage or service replacement)


Case has been polished. Polished surfaces look brushed, I think the sides too have had some of the lugs nipped off.

Just my 2c opinion.

An underwhelming example.
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That case has had the sandpaper touch up......which is a pity
 
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Unfortunate that Christie's chose to start the auction at $30k. Would have been interesting at a lower starting bid to see what the market actually is for an example in this condition.
 
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The one who will spend 30k+ on this watch won’t get the value for his money 😒
 
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Not the best example, but there aren't many out there.
But, if the members above haven't convinced you to pass, first, contact Christie's and ask to see a digital image of the extract which they have not posted an image of for the auction. Second ask if they'd consider a bid below estimate... highly unlikely. Third, for your comparison there is an Ultraman up for sale on eBay (49K) with extract noting orange hand and also two on Chrono24 (47K , 30K ) with extracts noting orange hands. All have some issues with lume.

Links:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Ultr...613290?hash=item4dad0a456a:g:sqQAAOSw7wFcM8qd

https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omeg...aman-with-extract-of-archives--id16816402.htm

https://www.chrono24.com/omega/speedmaster-ultraman--id15369392.htm
 
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Echoing what other members are saying. This should be an easy pass if you're looking for something high quality. This example has plenty of lume lost (not visually attractive to me, at least), rough polish, and shady orange hand hue.
 
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Is every speedmaster with an orange hand an ultraman these days?

How is one confident to know when an example is a real ultraman and not just an speedmaster with an exchanged service (in best case) hand?
 
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Is every speedmaster with an orange hand an ultraman these days?

How is one confident to know when an example is a real ultraman and not just an speedmaster with an exchanged service (in best case) hand?

The best way to know would be to get an Extract based ONLY on the serial number. When pictures are sent in to Omega, I think all bets are off. There have been a few threads previously on this issue.
 
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Is every speedmaster with an orange hand an ultraman these days?

How is one confident to know when an example is a real ultraman and not just an speedmaster with an exchanged service (in best case) hand?

No, every Speedmaster with an orange hand is not an Ultraman. If an Omega Extract states that the Speedmaster was delivered with an orange hand, then you know it's the real deal.

"In the serial number range of roughly 3000 watches (26.076.xxx and 26.079.xxx, which corresponds to a production in 1968), an unknown number of watches were assembled with an orange hand. The reason is unknown, but after it became clear that these watches played a role in Ultraman, they were nicknamed ‘Speedmaster Ultraman’ or the ‘Ultraman Speedmaster’.

At this time, it isn’t clear how many of them are around but once in a while, someone claims to have an all original Speedmaster Ultraman in his possession. Omega documented some of them as a Speedmaster that left the factory with an orange hand, as can be seen on the Extract of the Archives above. It is clear and confirmed that at least not all of these roughly 3000 pieces have an orange hand. Unconfirmed, it is said that less than 50 Ultraman watches are known/identified."

Take a look at this article:

https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedmaster-ultraman/#gref
 
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Is every speedmaster with an orange hand an ultraman these days?

How is one confident to know when an example is a real ultraman and not just an speedmaster with an exchanged service (in best case) hand?
There is a pretty narrow range in which the originals are reckoned to sit. The auction watch has an extract too so it probably is legit. Just not very nice. I've never understood the massive premium for the Ultraman. They are far less rare than was first suspected, back when it was postulated there were only 50 made,* in fact there could easily be several hundred out there, the range they are seen in is 3K serials wide after all...

*There have already been 60+ identified and verified.
 
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At this time, it isn’t clear how many of them are around but once in a while, someone claims to have an all original Speedmaster Ultraman in his possession. Omega documented some of them as a Speedmaster that left the factory with an orange hand, as can be seen on the Extract of the Archives above. It is clear and confirmed that at least not all of these roughly 3000 pieces have an orange hand. Unconfirmed, it is said that less than 50 Ultraman watches are known/identified."

Somewhere between 50-500.
 
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The best way to know would be to get an Extract based ONLY on the serial number. When pictures are sent in to Omega, I think all bets are off. There have been a few threads previously on this issue.
No, every Speedmaster with an orange hand is not an Ultraman. If an Omega Extract states that the Speedmaster was delivered with an orange hand, then you know it's the real deal.

"In the serial number range of roughly 3000 watches (26.076.xxx and 26.079.xxx, which corresponds to a production in 1968), an unknown number of watches were assembled with an orange hand. The reason is unknown, but after it became clear that these watches played a role in Ultraman, they were nicknamed ‘Speedmaster Ultraman’ or the ‘Ultraman Speedmaster’.

At this time, it isn’t clear how many of them are around but once in a while, someone claims to have an all original Speedmaster Ultraman in his possession. Omega documented some of them as a Speedmaster that left the factory with an orange hand, as can be seen on the Extract of the Archives above. It is clear and confirmed that at least not all of these roughly 3000 pieces have an orange hand. Unconfirmed, it is said that less than 50 Ultraman watches are known/identified."

Take a look at this article:

https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedmaster-ultraman/#gref
There is a pretty narrow range in which the originals are reckoned to sit. The auction watch has an extract too so it probably is legit. Just not very nice. I've never understood the massive premium for the Ultraman. They are far less rare than was first suspected, back when it was postulated there were only 50 made there could easily be several hundred out there, the range they are seen in is 3K serials wide...
Thank you, so an EOA that confirms the orange hand plus the correct serial number is mandatory for it to be an ultraman?

Seems like a lot of owners to 68' regular speedmasters with correct serial number would mount an orange hand to get a pretty steep premium. Because regular speedmasters where made in the same serial range as the ultramans, right?
Just look at the other thread about the blue dialed ebay listing with an orange possibly not even correct ultraman hand where a buyer most likely just will fit the hand to another 68' example.

The constant rising amount of the original only 50-something pieces is also a bit concerning.
 
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Somewhere between 50-500.
No no. The owners of these ultra's tell us there are only 50 left. They are really, really rare. Really... The hand itself is worth 30k. So 30k is a bargain for a watch like this.
 
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Thank you, so an EOA that confirms the orange hand plus the correct serial number is mandatory for it to be an ultraman?

Seems like a lot of owners to 68' regular speedmasters with correct serial number would mount an orange hand to get a pretty steep premium. Because regular speedmasters where made in the same serial range as the ultramans, right?
Just look at the other thread about the blue dialed ebay listing with an orange possibly not even correct ultraman hand where a buyer most likely just will fit the hand to another 68' example.

The constant rising amount of the original only 50-something pieces is also a bit concerning.

This is one of the threads I mentioned: https://omegaforums.net/threads/another-potential-ultraman.91015/

Gets interesting on Page 3.