Hey any UG tri experts here don’t mind sharing your eagle eyes on these two? Much appreciated!

 

[Disclaimer: I am not an expert in these; still learning and open to being educated]

If I'm not mistaken, date hand on the first one should be red, or at least blued instead of silver. The unusual serif on the '7' made me look closer and the way the subdials obscure the 3 & 9 doesn't look right to me either. There are examples of obscured numbers in the TimePieceChronicle references, but they're more legible as a 3 and 9 on those examples. I can't figure what reference this is supposed to be.

The second one looks, to me, like a pretty straightforward 22258. Moonphase disk may be a later replacement, but I think that's very common and any degradation is possibly offset by the Türler signature. That's the one I'd choose.

 

In the future it's best to start with your own observations............

The first one, pics are really washed out, which doesn't help evaluate. As you are considering originality you should also be asking your self, is this watch attractive. The numerals are applied, the dial looks fine to me. The minute counter sub hand is obviously wrong, and once you know someone has been mucking about with hands, it makes you wonder about the rest. The red date hand often fades and looks like this. I'm not sold on stick hands being paired with this dial, but that's nothing definite. The chrono reset doesn't look right. Anyhow I don't find this watch attractive, at least based on these pics.

The second watch is not a 22258 (which has distinctive fat lugs). At first glance it looks like a service dial, but the Turler signature is curious on what otherwise looks like a service dial? Would require more research. What is going on between the 8 and 9 in the hour sub dial ? Not sure on the lume on the dial or hands. Not sure on face or no face moon disc, would help to know case serial/date.

Given both watches are on C24, prices are probably stupid crazy

 

Overall of the two ... The second is a more honest watch which at some service, was fitted with a replacement moon disc and service dial and a hand re-lume. The disc and dial are well documented UG issued parts. The moon face discs did not age well. The first watch is more problematic. As hands are a bitch to source, price needs to reflect sourcing new hands and a service.

 

what do you make of the Turler signature ?

 

They did the service ....Probably sold the watch when new.

 

and to provide the links in addition. Often, there are other pics...

@bgrisso summed it up nicely. I like to add that the case of the first watch looks polished on the pics. But could be the pics.
7000 Euros for a 35mm watch with issues is a bit too steep for my taste.

I think it's bent. Points to 58/59 seconds while the tail is also to the left.

That's totally fine. Indices are not printed but embossed. Nothing what is changed when a dial is reprinted.

 

This is the link of the 2nd piece. Im just starting to learn about how to train my eyes to spot these details.
Its so helpful for you all to pitch!

https://www.chrono24.hk/universalge...-spirale-breguet---35mm---aaw--id11772885.htm

 

Thanks Larry S! A lot fo the moon disc that I saw on C24 don't age well? Is this hard to source as well?

 

Precious and hoarded.

 

IMO neither the service dial or the newer moon is a problem. Yes watches with original moon and dial (if clean and there was a reason both were replaced eventually) carry a premium, but these replacement parts are correct and normal. It’s still a nice and desirable SS Tri.

 

I would want to see inside case back and movement pic and I would not pay the asking price

 

+1 ... not happy with the case back. Plus strap and buckle are just wrong, worthless.

 

Trying to learn and observe, for this one the date hand is a replacement the red seems a bit odd.

 

Found the case back!

 

No... it’s fine.

 

ok more to learn... nothing wrong with the dials?

 

I like the watch. As said the buckle and strap are wrong, so if interested negotiate a much lower head only price, point out the service parts.

 

No but more picks are needed.

 

No