Two Seamasters

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Hi everyone.

The first time I thought about purchasing an Omega wad years ago. I liked the look of watches I thought were from the sixties. But the prices seemed too much for me at the time, plus you never know what you gonna get buying from the internet.

Then I was given another vintage watch by my father, so the Omega topic was off the table.

Fast forward to present time and I stumbled upon two different Speedmasters in my local antique shop.



And another one



The pictures are crops from the shop website, so don't have any from the inside of the cover.

The shopkeeper said they run, but I haven't checked yet. I assume they are not serviced.

I've looked around these forums and am a lot wiser than before, but still have a few questions:

- can you tell from which year/model number they are;
- how do you assess their exterior condition;
- are the parts original, no redialing;
- do you envisage any urgent repair jobs after the purchase;
- what would be a reasonable price for purchase.

I like both of them but would be able to buy only one at the time. I would buy for me to wear daily, not for a resale.

Any feedback or additional quesitons are much appreciated!
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An Italian playwright, Goldoni, wrote “The servant of two masters”, but in your case, given your pseudonym, probably ‘The servant of two Seamasters’ 😉
 
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They both look ok at first glance. Overall condition is fair, neither would really entice me to pay a premium. The reference and serial numbers will be inside the caseback and on the movement, respectively. They will give you the information you need. For pricing, look at sold watches on eBay, or in the forum listings. It's best for you to decide value for yourself, since you will likely pay a large premium at a brick-and-mortar antique shop, but maybe you prefer that. The SS and gold-capped-over-SS watches have relatively similar values.
 
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An Italian playwright, Goldoni, wrote “The servant of two masters”, but in your case, given your pseudonym, probably ‘The servant of two Seamasters’ 😉
Yeah, I tried to be clever but failed almost epically. I wrote the text beforehand and up until choosing a pseudonym I knew I was looking information about Seamasters. But then it changed in my head into Speedmaster, hence the current alias.

Still, any help is welcome.

Yours truly
slow servant
currently relaxing by one sea

 
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They both look ok at first glance. Overall condition is fair, neither would really entice me to pay a premium. The reference and serial numbers will be inside the caseback and on the movement, respectively. They will give you the information you need. For pricing, look at sold watches on eBay, or in the forum listings. It's best for you to decide value for yourself, since you will likely pay a large premium at a brick-and-mortar antique shop, but maybe you prefer that. The SS and gold-capped-over-SS watches have relatively similar values.

Thank you for your input, Dan!

Since I haven't bought them yet I can't look inside the caseback and was hoping to get a hint from these forums.

Likewise with the pricing, if you don't know exactly what you have on your hands, it's difficult to set the price or establish what is premium.

But I gather they are nothing extraordinary. And that's not a bad thing in itself.

The price for the gold-capped version is 750 euros and the other one 680. They said the price is negotiable.
 
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A good seller might open the watches and show you the inside. Especially if they are asking top dollar. Why buy from a brick-and-mortar retail store if they are not giving you special service? Buying from someone like that, who doesn't know much about watches, is a risk. You could be looking at expensive repairs. Under those conditions, I would only buy if the price was a steal.

You really don't need to know the details to do some research on price. Any stainless or gold-capped 1960s hand-winding Seamaster in similar condition will be a reasonable comp. Just look around a bit at actual sale prices (not inflated asking prices).
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The s/s small seconds SM is more desirable than the gold cap. Bumper movement. Incorrect crown, but easy to source

Gold cap. Probably a 503 movement. Not a fan of the early 50x movements.

Crown worn. Harder to find gold cap/filled crowns (new gold plated)

I would take the s/s one over the gold cap. However. Don't buy anything without seeing the movement and assessing it's overall condition

Last. Ask price and then ask here if reasonable or compare as Dan said to Ebay completed auctions. Second however - check bidders to see winner. Experienced bidders don't over pay. Low ratings of bidders could indicate shill bids to push the price up
 
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And, have a look at the private sales thread on this forum.

Those offering watches are members of OF who’ve been here for a while.
 
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Cheers guys, will look in more detail when behind a computer or laptop.

And sorry if I didn't do enough research before posting, I didn't want to start on from the wrong foot.
 
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They’re quite different references.

I always think the best thing to do is look at various threads on here and decide which reference you actually like/want and seek out that reference in good condition. Limiting yourself to what a local antique shop has to offer is highly likely to lead to you compromising on quality or cost unless you’re extremely lucky
 
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For starters, you could think about how you feel about sub dials. I’m not keen but I appreciate that others love ‘em