In their present condition (one shows signs of rust on the dial, the other with a broken crystal, both with badly worn gold plated cases), well, you can guess what they might be worth. Not very much. As to dating them? I don’t know of a serial number/date list for Gruen, but this doesn’t matter because there doesn’t appear to be a serial number on either of them. I’d estimate mid 1950s for the manual winder, and mid 60s for the automatic. Probably not the news you wanted.
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