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Twitter to X - the (interesting) Musk backstory...

Tony C.
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Yeah, I'm gonna say I've hit a nerve. Whoopsie! I forgot that the group in charge of groupthink never likes to hear they might be the bad guys.

lol! I have posted specific content describing dubious moves made by Musk, relating to Twitter/X. And because some others have agreed, and posted other criticisms, you interpret it all as "hate", and "groupthink".

Again - ridiculous!
 
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[sarcasm] didn't you read the posts we put up? lots of people don't like elon, so you shouldn't either, why question it? [/sarcasm]
Okay, then what do you think of the entire cave diver incident?
 
RevZMan123
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"Look, I searched for all this negative press on Elon Musk and I couldn't find anything positive, see, he sucks!"
 
vbrad26
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[sarcasm] didn't you read the posts we put up? lots of people don't like elon, so you shouldn't either, why question it? [/sarcasm]

I see your sarcasm but will respond with an un-sarcastic statement.
I don't want to read links (although I did just read the Doomberg one). And all I've seen so far is, at a basic level, the dude is not so good at business, sometimes.
 
Tony C.
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"Look, I searched for all this negative press on Elon Musk and I couldn't find anything positive, see, he sucks!"

Ah, so your newly refined complaint is that posters have not countered justifiable criticisms by pointing out that he has done some admirable things, or has some other positive traits? Unsurprisingly that's also false:

Tony C. Tony C.
I don't think that it's fair to suggest that Musk doesn't have some impressive and positive attributes

If you're going to make widespread accusations of "hate" and "groupthink", cherry-picking a comment here or there won't cut it.
 
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I see your sarcasm but will respond with an un-sarcastic statement.
I don't want to read links (although I did just read the Doomberg one). And all I've seen so far is, at a basic level, the dude is not so good at business, sometimes.

Yep, I've read the Doomberg. It's interesting for sure. Though it IS written with the bias of, "Now we can't drive traffic to our content for free so come join us here!" His view of Elon vs Substack seems a bit disingenuous since Elon and the Twitter Files Four are all on substack and broke their stories there.
 
Archer
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Personal?

I started my statement saying maybe everyone is a victim of groupthink here and you disagreed, personally. My comment about being up north was supposed to have some sarcasm there but you took it to heart for some reason. Maybe I hit a nerve saying we buy into too much negativity too easily?

First, I had no idea what the comment of being up North had to do with anything related to this thread, which is why I asked you to clarify. It was honestly a very non-sequitur type comment to me. I didn't take it to heart - I asked for clarification. In response you insulted me personally, and then spouted nonsense and conspiracy theories about our Prime Minister. It seems you are happy to buy into negativity towards other members right here on the forum if they don't see things as you do.

It appears that you believe anyone here who thinks Elon does things that are not in the best interest of his customers, shareholders, and society in general, is suffering from groupthink, and clearly not able to think for themselves. I happen to disagree with that, but I won't attack you personally for your views on Elon.
 
ErichPryde
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"Look, I searched for all this negative press on Elon Musk and I couldn't find anything positive, see, he sucks!"

I don't think anybody is saying this. I really like what Tesla stands for and I am glad that somebody with as much personality as Elon has pushed it into the forefront. There are plenty of positive pieces of information that you can find about elon, but that doesn't negate the negative.
 
RevZMan123
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I knew I should have left my South Park "beady eyes and floppy heads" part of the joke in there, maybe it would have gone over better. Ah well! (conspiracy theory, yeah right, that's not even a real phrase anymore, it's just a 6 month lead time on the truth).

This -- fine, you say "hate" is too strong, we'll euphamize with -- "strong aversion for a man you know literally nothing about", started with Elon the same way it started with President Trump. Everyone liked him, then he made someone with money and power mad, so then the press was told to go negative, and then everyone jumped on board the dislike train.

But I'm not posting for likes.
 
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Tony C. Tony C.
Ah, so your newly refined complaint is that posters have not countered justifiable criticisms by pointing out that he has done some admirable things, or has some other positive traits? Unsurprisingly that's also false:



If you're going to make widespread accusations of "hate" and "groupthink", cherry-picking a comment here or there won't cut it.


Ironically, cherry picking is a great example of groupthink...
 
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doesn't negate the negative.

Sure, but it matters to understand from where that negativity stems. From truth? Or from a version of that truth the writer wants you to see?
 
M'Bob
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Don’t know which I dislike more: his hair, or those ridiculous steering wheels…
 
ErichPryde
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Sure, but it matters to understand from where that negativity stems. From truth? Or from a version of that truth the writer wants you to see?


Your implication is that people cannot make their own decisions about Elon and are basing opinion ONLY upon what a writer has told them to think-- wildly ironic, because you're asking them to accept only your decision in a way.
 
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I think that M’Bob has zeroed in on the critical issues. I’m going with the hair.
 
RevZMan123
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gbesq gbesq
I think that M’Bob has zeroed in on the critical issues. I’m going with the hair.

You're not bald, you're just poor!

(though I think this says enough about the land up north ... "Canadians’ access to news on Facebook and Instagram will be cut off in the coming weeks after Meta said Tuesday that a “fundamentally flawed” law is forcing the company to make the tough decision." hahahahahahahaha)
 
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Your implication is that people cannot make their own decisions about Elon and are basing opinion ONLY upon what a writer has told them to think-- wildly ironic, because you're asking them to accept only your decision in a way.

Nope, didn't say that.

I said be objective.

I said figure out if all the negativity is justified.
 
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This is an absolutely wild chain of conversation. It is wild that a poster and member of this community would suddenly assert that everyone else is falling prey to "groupthink" because they don't agree with their stance. I shouldn't have to point out WHY this is wild, but boy howdy, it's wild.

It is wild to imply someone's head is bobbling off their body ala South Park and say it's not an insult.

RevZMan123 RevZMan123
Sure, but it matters to understand from where that negativity stems. From truth? Or from a version of that truth the writer wants you to see?

As I said above, I was a big fan of a lot of what Elon Musk did with getting Tesla and SpaceX attention. He's done some really good things but at the end of the day he is a childish person who will go to extreme lengths when he feels personally attacked. He's done wildly irresponsible things that impacted Teslas stock.

I don't have to like those things, and I don't need anybody to tell me that I should dislike Elon Musk and I don't need anybody to tell me that the reasons I have for disliking Elon Musk are invalid.
 
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I think that M’Bob has zeroed in on the critical issues. I’m going with the hair.

As my mother always said : jealousy makes you nasty LOL
 
ErichPryde
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I said be objective.

You heavily implied that everyone's opinion in this thread was because of groupthink and you have rejected any objective reason for disliking Elon Musk. Is that not correct?
 
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