Tudor are in house manufacturers why are Omega only i house design?

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Can I ask why it bothers you? Do you not think there is a place in the watch world for assembleurs, which by the way is the proper term for a company that does this (rather than a manufacture)?

If people want to buy into the perceived advantage that being "in-house" provides (again can't be stated enough that this a term that has no official definition, but is thrown around like it means something very specific) then that's fine with me. But why should brands that don't do this "bother you" so much?

I think someone mentioned Panerai in this thread...looking at the problems they have had with several of their manufacture movements, I would take the ETA that was "slapped in the case" any day thanks.

Cheers, Al
Yea I'd definitely take a PAM104 over a PAM321 given recent experience
 
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Can I ask why it bothers you? Do you not think there is a place in the watch world for assembleurs, which by the way is the proper term for a company that does this (rather than a manufacture)?

If people want to buy into the perceived advantage that being "in-house" provides (again can't be stated enough that this a term that has no official definition, but is thrown around like it means something very specific) then that's fine with me. But why should brands that don't do this "bother you" so much?

I think someone mentioned Panerai in this thread...looking at the problems they have had with several of their manufacture movements, I would take the ETA that was "slapped in the case" any day thanks.

Cheers, Al

To answer your question Al, pricepoint has a lot to do with it. I'll gladly wear a Tudor. Now, if a company wants around $10k for a modern watch they've more or less assembled, I'm sorry, but that's not happening.

I'm a drummer, and I could start my own drum company tomorrow. Literally. Buy shells from Keller, bring in hardware, all I'd I've to do was drill the shells, screw in the hardware, cut a bearing edge (the only thing that takes any skill), and slap my name on the bass drum. On the other hand, their are companies that make their own shells in the USA. Which would you buy from?

Obviously that's a bit of a stretch to use as a comparison, but for real, of you're spending $8k on a Pam or IWC with an ETA movement - AND they've outsourced most of the other components of the watch, it's my belief that you're getting ripped off compared to a Grand Seiko or Rolex. That's all.
 
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To answer your question Al, pricepoint has a lot to do with it. I'll gladly wear a Tudor. Now, if a company wants around $10k for a modern watch they've more or less assembled, I'm sorry, but that's not happening.

but for real, of you're spending $8k on a Pam or IWC with an ETA movement - AND they've outsourced most of the other components of the watch, it's my belief that you're getting ripped off compared to a Grand Seiko or Rolex. That's all.

So can I assume this is a value proposition for you then? Can I ask how long you have been a watch enthusiast/collector?

Cheers, Al