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Tropical 16800 Submariner caught

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I first bumped into a Rolex Submariner 16800 with tropical dial many years ago and my first impression was that it had a water damaged dial. Through the years, i saw many more examples and it finally got me convinced to look for one to add to my collection.

The other day, one of my dealer friend sent me a message but I never had the chance to read it until late afternoon. When I finally got to check his message, it was a picture of the watch which got me all excited and wasted no time calling him, hoping the watch was still available. Luckily, it was and I did not even bother to haggle with him anymore on the price. Happy the share this great catch with everyone here.

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I'm often left flabbergasted at the culture in the Rolex collecting community. Keep in mine I'm not criticizing it - we still (for now) live in a relatively free economy, and people can spend their hard-earned money on whatever makes them happy. I guarantee I've purchased things that at least 1/2 the planet would think were inexplicable, so please don't take offense, because none is intended.

I just admittedly can't wrap my head around coming up with all the nicknames for damage, and then watches with that damage are demanding a premium above even a new watch in some cases. From what I've read, people are coming up with ways to deliberately damage better examples of watches (the submariner being a prime example) to raise the perceived value of the watch by darkening the lume and bleaching out the dial and bezel. I've found myself substituting "damage" for "patina" whenever I see the latter word in a description. Yes, there are cases where it's truly just fading (as the above dial) but I've seen watches where the enamel is flaking off, where there's moisture or oil damage, where the plating is rubbing off or the hands are corroded, and the description talks about a "lovely patina."

Anyway, done rambling. Lovely tropical dial, congrats on the find! If that watch could talk, I bet it would have interesting stories.
 
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That is a lovely looking Sub you have there! I hope you wear it as much as the previous owner clearly has!

I agree on the above post, the vintage Rolex following is insane. I appreciate them, like the one above. I will never venture into vintage myself. Unless my current ‘modern ones’ become classed as classics themselves..
 
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I'm often left flabbergasted at the culture in the Rolex collecting community. Keep in mine I'm not criticizing it - we still (for now) live in a relatively free economy, and people can spend their hard-earned money on whatever makes them happy. I guarantee I've purchased things that at least 1/2 the planet would think were inexplicable, so please don't take offense, because none is intended.

I just admittedly can't wrap my head around coming up with all the nicknames for damage, and then watches with that damage are demanding a premium above even a new watch in some cases. From what I've read, people are coming up with ways to deliberately damage better examples of watches (the submariner being a prime example) to raise the perceived value of the watch by darkening the lume and bleaching out the dial and bezel. I've found myself substituting "damage" for "patina" whenever I see the latter word in a description. Yes, there are cases where it's truly just fading (as the above dial) but I've seen watches where the enamel is flaking off, where there's moisture or oil damage, where the plating is rubbing off or the hands are corroded, and the description talks about a "lovely patina."

Anyway, done rambling. Lovely tropical dial, congrats on the find! If that watch could talk, I bet it would have interesting stories.

Totally agree. Dials that faded or discolored over time are natural occurences but there are watches being peddled as having tropical dials where in thruth, these dials were water or moisture damaged.
 
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That is a lovely looking Sub you have there! I hope you wear it as much as the previous owner clearly has!

I agree on the above post, the vintage Rolex following is insane. I appreciate them, like the one above. I will never venture into vintage myself. Unless my current ‘modern ones’ become classed as classics themselves..

This watch definitely earned its keep from the previous owner. Well used but not abused.
 
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This watch definitely earned its keep from the previous owner. Well used but not abused.

Eric it's important to keep in mind that many forum members are not aware that you, like us, have the advantage of harvesting true "tropical" sport watches from the deep tropical south pacific islands of the Philippines. No where else has such gorgeous vintage sport watches than the south pacific. These watches are the real deal.
 
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Eric it's important to keep in mind that many forum members are not aware that you, like us, have the advantage of harvesting true "tropical" sport watches from the deep tropical south pacific islands of the Philippines. No where else has such gorgeous vintage sport watches than the south pacific. These watches are the real deal.

Right you are Fred. Keep safe.
 
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Regardless of how the dial got to look the way it does this is a very nice watch 🥰🥰
I might as well call dibs while I can 😁
 
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Regardless of how the dial got to look the way it does this is a very nice watch

During my many years living and working in the Philippines I have seen many tropical brown and faded dials exactly like the one shown in this thread. It's the real deal and faded from extended out door use. My guess is this watch was owned and worn by someone associated with the maritime trade or scuba diving, which are both huge in those sun scorched south pacific islands. I think every one of our tropical watches came from a captain or some other officer position on ships. That and some sort of military officer. Loads of old faded GMT's are still to be found there as well.
 
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Was curious to know the first 3 of the serial if possible. Is there a range for these sapphire tropicals or just more geographically and UV/sunlight based?
 
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Was curious to know the first 3 of the serial if possible. Is there a range for these sapphire tropicals or just more geographically and UV/sunlight based?

Mine is in the 8.6m range
 
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I'm often left flabbergasted at the culture in the Rolex collecting community. Keep in mine I'm not criticizing it - we still (for now) live in a relatively free economy, and people can spend their hard-earned money on whatever makes them happy. I guarantee I've purchased things that at least 1/2 the planet would think were inexplicable, so please don't take offense, because none is intended.

I just admittedly can't wrap my head around coming up with all the nicknames for damage, and then watches with that damage are demanding a premium above even a new watch in some cases. From what I've read, people are coming up with ways to deliberately damage better examples of watches (the submariner being a prime example) to raise the perceived value of the watch by darkening the lume and bleaching out the dial and bezel. I've found myself substituting "damage" for "patina" whenever I see the latter word in a description. Yes, there are cases where it's truly just fading (as the above dial) but I've seen watches where the enamel is flaking off, where there's moisture or oil damage, where the plating is rubbing off or the hands are corroded, and the description talks about a "lovely patina."

Anyway, done rambling. Lovely tropical dial, congrats on the find! If that watch could talk, I bet it would have interesting stories.
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That is a lovely looking Sub you have there! I hope you wear it as much as the previous owner clearly has!

I agree on the above post, the vintage Rolex following is insane. I appreciate them, like the one above. I will never venture into vintage myself. Unless my current ‘modern ones’ become classed as classics themselves..
Hmmm. Honestly, isn't Omega (especially Speedmasters) subject to the same phenomenon? Let's call a spade a spade. We could add other brands as well.
 
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Hmmm. Honestly, isn't Omega (especially Speedmasters) subject to the same phenomenon? Let's call a spade a spade. We could add other brands as well.
Couldn't agree more. I do think it's most prevalent in the Rolex crowd, but that's likely do to Rolex being the king. But yes, Omega Speedmasters in particular are described as having a great patina when the dial has faded to brown or grey and the lume has turned tan or brown.

To each their own, like I said. 😀
 
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dealer friend

Isn't that an oxymoron? 😀

Cool looking watch though! I like the color and wear on the bezel.
 
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Couldn't agree more. I do think it's most prevalent in the Rolex crowd, but that's likely do to Rolex being the king. But yes, Omega Speedmasters in particular are described as having a great patina when the dial has faded to brown or grey and the lume has turned tan or brown.

To each their own, like I said. 😀


Yes the Omega Speedy tropical dials are really beautiful and more consistent.

My Speedy tropicals

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that's likely do to Rolex being the king.

Not taking anything away from Rolex and Lord knows we have a few in our collection, but I have found that the longer and deeper one gets into the watch collecting arena the less a good majority of top collectors focus on Rolex. I think it is also geographical as well but mostly depends on what kind of collector. I think real "active" collectors and dealers are prone to Rolex as they are easy to trade in. However I know some very well regarded collectors especially in the tri-state area that bypass Rolex for the most part and seek the more exotic and not necessarily meaning all are expensive. One very humorous NYC collector has always coached me that "Rolex is a hillbilly watch" and he is far from alone in his view. Of course I don't completely agree but I see his point. All one has to do to see his point is peruse some of the online "personal collections" of certain watch forums and hodinkee as well. Most Rolex collections, although presented as "personal collecting journeys" look like everyone else's Rolex collection. Just follow the leader with a bunch of daytonas, over-rated 1655's and a few subs and GMT's. In my opinion Rolex is far from king.
 
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