I am considering buying this 12298 from a local contact. I know the chronograph hand is missing and I suspect the subdials ones are not original. Are you seeing anything that I should avoid ? Price is fair in my opinion (3k€).
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Supplemental to my previous note. Please do some reading here. Get yourself a copy of Sala. The very fact that you even considered this watch tells me you are far from ready to dive into the UG pool. 3k may sound “reasonable” but it’s still a lot of money. Garbage is Garbage.
Chill down please. That is a bit stronger than expected.
I do have sala, i did some research, I have many UGs.
I was not asking you if you would accept me in the UG pool. Your comment is very condescending and unjustified.
I was just asking for opinion about the watch, not judgment. Make the difference please. So I’ll take your advice about the watch (thank you) but the rest is really unfriendly.
Chill down please. That is a bit stronger than expected.
I do have sala, i did some research, I have many UGs.
I was not asking you if you would accept me in the UG pool. Your comment is very condescending and unjustified.
I was just asking for opinion about the watch, not judgment. Make the difference please. So I’ll take your advice about the watch (thank you) but the rest is really unfriendly.
Chill down please. That is a bit stronger than expected.
I do have sala, i did some research, I have many UGs.
I was not asking you if you would accept me in the UG pool. Your comment is very condescending and unjustified.
I was just asking for opinion about the watch, not judgment. Make the difference please. So I’ll take your advice about the watch (thank you) but the rest is really unfriendly.
It's that kind of advice that I come here for. I.e. run away. We're all adults here - take the advice on the chin.
I am not offering any further advice on the quality of the piece here, merely that for that amount of money wait or get a different watch. I think, having made that mistake in the past, you're better off not having one at all than having one in such awful condition.
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This is really interesting. His "forward guidance" back in 2019 was way off. Otherwise, this is 1:45 well spent (recommend playback at 1.25x speed). Thanks for sharing.
I wonder if there's a market for a website to crowdsource condition assessments. As we've seen in this thread, it can get a bit personal. How about a site that's a cross between Hot or Not and Instagram - rather than simply a "Like" you rate it on a couple of scales like condition, correctness, originality. Something like Reddit's scoring (karma) system could weight experienced users evaluations. Shall I build it? 😀
dial is horrible
It's alway better to receive a condescending comment than a bad watch.
Conditions is the word, whatever is the pool you are going to.
This is really interesting. His "forward guidance" back in 2019 was way off. Otherwise, this is 1:45 well spent (recommend playback at 1.25x speed). Thanks for sharing.
I wonder if there's a market for a website to crowdsource condition assessments. As we've seen in this thread, it can get a bit personal. How about a site that's a cross between Hot or Not and Instagram - rather than simply a "Like" you rate it on a couple of scales like condition, correctness, originality. Something like Reddit's scoring (karma) system could weight experienced users evaluations. Shall I build it? 😀
When I evaluate a watch, I try to be very specific about the issues. Scales of any kind are less informative by themselves.
This is really interesting. His "forward guidance" back in 2019 was way off. Otherwise, this is 1:45 well spent (recommend playback at 1.25x speed). Thanks for sharing.
I wonder if there's a market for a website to crowdsource condition assessments. As we've seen in this thread, it can get a bit personal. How about a site that's a cross between Hot or Not and Instagram - rather than simply a "Like" you rate it on a couple of scales like condition, correctness, originality. Something like Reddit's scoring (karma) system could weight experienced users evaluations. Shall I build it? 😀
""olivierw said: Are you seeing anything that I should avoid ? Price is fair in my opinion (3k€).""
OP it seems you have certainly hit the hard scrabble on this one--I think a few of the comments are unnecessarily harsh ,perhaps
economically unreasonable and maybe not absolutely in your best interest-not everyone can squirt out $10 - 20k for a
pristine example of a watch they would like to own..
I believe the ref 12298 is an 18k gold cased tri-compax; this is good as solid gold cases can be cleaned up nicely as opposed
to gold filled cases, stainless is also a great choice for cases but wears more casual. It would have also been
good to include the serial number ? as some characteristics are defined best within a time frame such as the moonface (which in my opinion) cannot be seen clearly enough to conclude anything, as well as appropriate hands, chrono hand colors. The dial appears original to me as do the hour/min hands it is difficult to assess condition without the crystal being removed; Sure the hour recorder hand is incorrect-easy fix, no chrono sweep hand a bit more difficult, typically very long post-hard to find. You do not indicate if the movement operates correctly; it has obviously seen some prior repairs or adjustments but the eccentric screws appear to be in great shape which is unusual for a chronograph with some miles on it. Whether the watch runs and operates correctly is the balance of the value proposition.
So you have an tri in a pink 18k case with an original dial in what looks like acceptable condition and mostly correct parts; if it is operating correctly and keeping time @3000E not junk and not a bad deal IMHO--I see tri movements with the calendar plate completely missing selling for 1500-2000$; junk cases for 800-1000$ or more Some members here have referenced parts watches running in the 3000$ range.
Yeah-it ain't perfect and it will never be a home run hitter; but I think the watch would clean up, wear nicely and scratch your itch for a tri (a wonderfully complicated watch with great vintage legacy). While certainly the "buy the best/leave the rest axiom" difficult to argue against; it's also OK to believe a vintage watch should reflect some "vintage" and in a Tri's case offer it's owner an opportunity to appreciate all its' mechanical allure.
For those members of the pristine club I offer one additional consideration:
@ https://www.forbes.com/sites/hylaba...-for-a-wristwatch-at-auction/?sh=a1ca12c5313f Condition/Condition/
We get a lot of query’s here and on PM. Sometimes the posters seem hell bent on burning money no matter what we say. Sometimes the posters have already bought the watch. Sometimes they are “dealers” looking for free appraisals. Folks get admonished to “ learn how to fish” here on OF all the time. The trigger for me here was “reasonable”. Then the OP says he’s got Sala and other UG watches 😗. This said, perhaps my response was a tad caustic.
