To Restore, Or Not To Restore — That Is The Question

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Occasionally, we get an email from someone with a vintage watch who is wondering whether to restore it or not. Recently, someone found a Speedmaster CK2998 in his drawer and wondered if he should send it off to the spa in Switzerland. As it may be important in judging whether to restore this Speedmaster or […]

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Service and wear is all I would do with this one….
 
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Good luck sending it to Omega with the instructions to only service the movement and do nothing to the case and bracelet.
 
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Good luck sending it to Omega with the instructions to only service the movement and do nothing to the case and bracelet.

Yes, recipe for disaster...
 
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Reminds me of a few years ago when I had the car shop. A customer who was a physician along with his physician wife asked me my opinion on how to "restore" his 1655 explorer. The watch had a scratched acrylic that would have probably taken 20 minutes to polish clean, a worn bezel that actually made the watch look original, and a few dings on the lugs and sides of the case. The bracelet was the most worn as the fold over clasp was busted off. At the time a new oyster bracelet would have set him back less than $500, that is if he didn't want to have his fixed which could have been done along with a movement service at Barrow's Watch Service in town who were highly qualified Rolex techs.

I tried my best to convince them that the Rolex Service Center in NYC will replace most of the watch but to no avail. I even showed them the two 1655's we have in our collection that are original and time worn. I drove home the fact that the watch will be worth a fraction of it's current value, both money wise and sentimental if they choose the wrong route. They were hell-bent. For highly educated people they sure were dense.

Well low and behold, months later they got the watch back with a service dial, hands, bezel, case, bracelet and God knows what little was left of the original movement. They were obviously conflicted whether they did the right thing. For sure as time went on they realized the mistake they made.
 
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They were hell-bent. For highly educated people they sure were dense.

Well low and behold, months later they got the watch back with a service dial, hands, bezel, case, bracelet and God knows what little was left of the original movement. They were obviously conflicted whether they did the right thing. For sure as time went on they realized the mistake they made.
Never equate a highly educated individual with a wise individual. The physician couple were highly educated, but with no wisdom as far as the watch was concerned, even though you made an attempt to give them the benefit of your wisdom. We all know book smart people who don't know enough to get out of the rain.
 
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Yes, recipe for disaster...

this article seems to completely miss that point ?
 
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Not completely but the best advice would indeed be: give it a movement service and nothing more. And stay as far from the factory as possible (but I understand why RJ will not say that...)

This thread belongs in the vintage forum btw
 
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This thread belongs in the vintage forum btw

if the watch went to Omega for a service, not anymore 😜
 
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this article seems to completely miss that point ?
yup!
Just make sure to tell Omega not to replace parts, but that you still expect a full 2 year warranty .... maybe that works at Fratello?

edit to add: and I would actually think it would make an Omega factory rep cringe to read it as it indicates they will honor your requests. I can see a flood of "But it said on Fratello...." complaints coming
 
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Be it wrist watches, motor-cycles, cars or even paintings... it looks like, to an un-educated / un-informed crowd, everything that glitters sells best 😁
 
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I recently saw an early Seamaster 300 with lume that looked like moldy, fuzzy dog crap. The fuzz was a dark green black. I stared at it for several minutes trying to find anything redeeming about it.

Other than the lume, the watch wasn't bad. The dial was pretty clean and the case had wear but not polish.

Is there a point where original lume is a liability? Most of the rest of the watch seems clear. Leave the dial hands, case, etc alone. Clean and service.

It's that bewitching lume that conflicts me. Knowing that nicely aged lume will elevate even the best condition watch, we tend to treat it like hallow ground.

But at some point, bad lume seems to make a watch ugly. We've all seen dials with the tiniest thread of lume barely hanging on to an index, hands that have zero lume. Would it be so bad to give them a new chance with a decent relume? Or are there some references that are so old and rare that they should never be touched? I keep in mind that even Rembrandts and Michelangelos have been retouched after being slashed or hammered.

Fortunately for me, I have never had to make this decision for myself. But i've seen plenty of pictures that make me cringe. It's not the main point of RJ's article, but seems connected, at least it's something I've been wondering about. Don't worry, i don't have a bucket of 2915s that I plan on reluming. But seeing that dog pile of a Seamaster, true confession, i think I would have scrapped the lume if it was mine.
 
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Reminds me of a few years ago when I had the car shop. A customer who was a physician along with his physician wife asked me my opinion on how to "restore" his 1655 explorer. The watch had a scratched acrylic that would have probably taken 20 minutes to polish clean, a worn bezel that actually made the watch look original, and a few dings on the lugs and sides of the case. The bracelet was the most worn as the fold over clasp was busted off. At the time a new oyster bracelet would have set him back less than $500, that is if he didn't want to have his fixed which could have been done along with a movement service at Barrow's Watch Service in town who were highly qualified Rolex techs.

I tried my best to convince them that the Rolex Service Center in NYC will replace most of the watch but to no avail. I even showed them the two 1655's we have in our collection that are original and time worn. I drove home the fact that the watch will be worth a fraction of it's current value, both money wise and sentimental if they choose the wrong route. They were hell-bent. For highly educated people they sure were dense.

Well lo and behold, months later they got the watch back with a service dial, hands, bezel, case, bracelet and God knows what little was left of the original movement. They were obviously conflicted whether they did the right thing. For sure as time went on they realized the mistake they made.
Classic human nature. We only learn from mistakes 😀
 
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Occasionally, we get an email from someone with a vintage watch who is wondering whether to restore it or not. Recently, someone found a Speedmaster CK2998 in his drawer and wondered if he should send it off to the spa in Switzerland. As it may be important in judging whether to restore this Speedmaster or […]

Visit To Restore, Or Not To Restore — That Is The Question to read the full article.
”Restoration” is a good way to neutralize the charm that only time can give to a vintage watch.
 
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This is a picture of a watch that has just been returned to me from omega in Switzerland via my local AD.it had stopped working.now it works and has two year warranty.new hands and crown.it’s not a collectible or valuable model but I like it and wear it often.
 
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What I, and most of y'all on this site do with a vintage watch that needs a bit of help is a "recommission" rather than a restoration. We put the watch back in service with a simple movement going through and cleanup of the exterior of the watch and crystal. Maybe fix a broken link or what not to a bracelet to make it usable. As-found, or as close to it as possible is the rule.
 
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Interesting posts since I'm going circles about what to do with a zenith 3642a. Overall beautifull but the case has been overpolished throught the years, the lume is dead with a dark brownish patina and the dial has been scratched but is hanging pretty well overall.
It's difficult'to know what to do for sure, not that the value of the watch is a concern, but I just don't want to ruin a somewhat well preserved zenith.
 
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Interesting posts since I'm going circles about what to do with a zenith 3642a. Overall beautifull but the case has been overpolished throught the years, the lume is dead with a dark brownish patina and the dial has been scratched but is hanging pretty well overall.
It's difficult'to know what to do for sure, not that the value of the watch is a concern, but I just don't want to ruin a somewhat well preserved zenith.
Do no further harm …. That’s my philosophy.