Tipping culture in the USA

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I’m not sure how many 10 year olds prepare for their trip to the US by doing ‘advanced research’ into the quagmire otherwise known as the American state Tax system… but I’ll encourage her to swat up before our next state side trip. Thanks for the tip.
The comment was directed at you not her. A google search for "is there tax on clothes in nyc" in advance of your trip and you would have the information in advance. 🤷‍♂️
 
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The comment was directed at you not her. A google search for "is there tax on clothes in nyc" in advance of your trip and you would have the information in advance. 🤷‍♂️
Be that as it may generally NZ residents have no conception that these other systems even exist especially if they do not travel internationally and in particular to the US so it's a case of you don't know to look for what you don't know as it's so foreign to the way things are accomplished in NZ which just has a flat GST/ VAT on every new item. The only exception being goods suppliers from small time traders whose yearly turnover is below NZ$60,000 and they don't have registèr as a seller who collects GST but can if they feel so inclined to add complexity to their tax obligations. You don't get confusion of any significance in the NZ system.
 
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People who don't travel have little concept of how other places work. Even in the US folks who don't travel have no idea what living is like in other states when it comes to costs and overall taxes which can vary widely.
 
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You don't get confusion of any significance in the NZ system.
True, but confusion is our middle name here in the US. It has kept me gainfully employed for over 40 years.
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I think more than anything it’s the lack of transparency that irks most tourists when they visit the US, but once you get the hang of it, and don’t ‘over think it’, as others have said, you’ll have a ball!

Fair point, I have had many great trips to the USA from the 1990s onwards - big cities, deserts, national parks - and probably tipped "OK", around 20% in restaurants, but the big uncertainty was what to do in fast food outlets, ice cream parlours, hotel rooms, coffee shops, bars, the person who shows you to your seat on Amtrak ....I probably got a lot of it wrong. Plus I don't quite understand why the tip should be bigger if I order and the server uncorks a $60 bottle of wine instead of a $30 one. And do I hammer on the cockpit door and tip the airline pilot as a reward for not killing me and the other passengers? At least tipping is sort of transparent, unlike say the car hire agent who needs their bonus from upselling you extra insurance or a bigger car just to get a living wage.

This whole topic might have been especially relevant to me 2 years ago but now it's not. It is merely 'interesting'.

Even after all those trips, all those canyon and desert landscapes, weeks of driving through what looked like movie sets, National Parks, NY jazz clubs, the Smithsonian museums, autumn in New Hampshire, 110 degrees in Zion and -20 in Rocky Mountain NP, and so on, some brilliant, good and interesting people and some great service, I won't be back. Not for at least 3 years, if ever.

The country that was a model of statesmanship and political checks and balances is a distant memory. The USA is of course free to do as it pleases, over 70million voters chose the current leadership as is their right, I'm not judging that nor challenging it, I'm simply exercising my choice and not going there. You can't threaten my country with trade sanctions, insult my government, accude our military of cowardice, insult my religious leaders, demonise those who disagree, and still expect me to spend my vacation money with you.

You won't notice of course, it is trivial in the scheme of things. Just one tourist couple, flights, a car hire, some hotel nights, some reastaurant meals, some theatre tickets, National Park passes, some gallery and museum visits .... but maybe one day you will: the football world cup will mask the 2026 data but in normal years there are plenty of people who won't be visiting.

So if you, or a son or daughter saving for college, are a waiter or waitress in a tourist area, my tip this year will be zero - I won't be there.
 
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Good food, yes. But a whacking high income tax rate. In the end someone has to pay the freight to run the joint. Income tax, sales tax, real estate tax, other taxes, they are all in the cost of living mix of any location. Some places end up lower than others.
I don't think they're planning on working here.

Anyway, you get what you pay for.

 
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I think more than anything it’s the lack of transparency that irks most tourists when they visit the US, but once you get the hang of it, and don’t ‘over think it’, as others have said, you’ll have a ball!

Fair point, I have had many great trips to the USA from the 1990s onwards - big cities, deserts, national parks - and probably tipped "OK", around 20% in restaurants, but the big uncertainty was what to do in fast food outlets, ice cream parlours, hotel rooms, coffee shops, bars, the person who shows you to your seat on Amtrak ....I probably got a lot of it wrong. Plus I don't quite understand why the tip should be bigger if I order and the server uncorks a $60 bottle of wine instead of a $30 one. And do I hammer on the cockpit door and tip the airline pilot as a reward for not killing me and the other passengers? At least tipping is sort of transparent, unlike say the car hire agent who needs their bonus from upselling you extra insurance or a bigger car just to get a living wage.

This whole topic might have been especially relevant to me 2 years ago but now it's not. It is merely 'interesting'.

Even after all those trips, all those canyon and desert landscapes, weeks of driving through what looked like movie sets, National Parks, NY jazz clubs, the Smithsonian museums, autumn in New Hampshire, 110 degrees in Zion and -20 in Rocky Mountain NP, and so on, some brilliant, good and interesting people and some great service, I won't be back. Not for at least 3 years, if ever.

The country that was a model of statesmanship and political checks and balances is a distant memory. The USA is of course free to do as it pleases, over 70million voters chose the current leadership as is their right, I'm not judging that nor challenging it, I'm simply exercising my choice and not going there. You can't threaten my country with trade sanctions, insult my government, accude our military of cowardice, insult my religious leaders, demonise those who disagree, and still expect me to spend my vacation money with you.

You won't notice of course, it is trivial in the scheme of things. Just one tourist couple, flights, a car hire, some hotel nights, some reastaurant meals, some theatre tickets, National Park passes, some gallery and museum visits .... but maybe one day you will: the football world cup will mask the 2026 data but in normal years there are plenty of people who won't be visiting.

So if you, or a son or daughter saving for college, are a waiter or waitress in a tourist area, my tip this year will be zero - I won't be there.
Thank God and Baby Jesus you didn’t judge.

Anyway no tax on tips up to $25,000. All those that receive tips seem rather pleased about this. I did ask several this past week in Las Vegas if they felt the moral obligation to pay taxes on the $25k, a resounding silence. The moral of the story is, “if you don’t like your job circumstances, get training and/or education to get the job you desire” in the USA or any other land of the free worldwide.
 
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There is no sales tax on clothing, footwear, and groceries in New Jersey, IIRC. New Yorkers often cross the river to shop for that reason.

Same thing for people from Massachusetts shopping in New Hampshire, which has no sales tax at all.
 
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I remember this one, this was late last year in Sydney. They saw the initial backlash and doubled down defending it on social media, but then continued to cop so much negative attention they caved and removed it a couple of days later.
That really is on the nose, OZ has minimum wages for workers which far exceed those in many other counties so ZERO justification for this sort of Bullshit. I like many others would boycott this providor and hope that the establishment would go bust as quickly as possible. #ssholes to be sure!
 
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This pic popped up on my Insta, I would be ashamed of myself putting in writing I'm a bad employer::facepalm1:::

 
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That is out of line.

I can afford the bill. I can also afford to avoid eating at any establishment that presumes to nanny me over MY bill And My choice to tip!
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This pic popped up on my Insta, I would be ashamed of myself putting in writing I'm a bad employer::facepalm1:::

I call bullshit, social media, clickbait on this. This was never posted at an actual restaurant. The consistency of the letter forms is 100% uniform, (check ‘for free’) so it’s not handwritten. And even if it was created using a poorly designed font with (no glyph alternates) no restauranteur would actually go to the time and effort of formatting it in such a way. This has been created (most probably by AI) with the sole purpose of getting people angry…


The internet is a cesspit.
 
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The internet is a cesspit.
It's also one of the greatest inventions of all time (after writing and the printing press, imo). You're seeing the glass half empty...
 
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I don't think that anyone should be required to tip. That being said, I also think that a person who works 40 hours/week should be paid enough money to live. $2.13 per hour is offensive. Yes, most people tip. Some don't. Employees should not have to hope that they will get a living wage from tips. Don't tip. Instead be required to pay a minimum wage that is sufficient to live and pay taxes.
 
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Well, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. European expat, living in the US for many years now, I go along with the customary 20% here in the US, usually somewhere between the pre-tax and after tax amount. I only do 15% if service was bad. I don’t understand though why some people feel that they should go higher than 20% in high-end restaurants and I don’t do it. If we don’t order drinks, usually I go above 20%. Once, we got a bill with two lines for tip: first one, regular tip, second for the kitchen. There was also a full page on the table explaining why the owner had to do that and why we had to pay it. Anyway, we added a 10% for the second line and never went back. Even in the US there are “rules” about how things are done, i.e. don’t expect people doing the way the Romans don’t…
 
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Tip in a real restaurant, fine. Tip for ordering online and picking it up? Hard no. Tip for a 35$ haircut? No, and stopped going there.