Thoughts on These Vintage Models

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Superpacker

·Sep 26, 2013

Seem to be in decent shape, nice for being solid gold. Still learning about movements. I would prefer in house movement, are these in house?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14K-SOLID-G...985785141?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item43c01ab735.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Longines-Vi...645243551?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item58a0397a9f.

 

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ulackfocus

·Sep 26, 2013

Superpacker

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14K-SOLID-G...985785141?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item43c01ab735

In house, but redialed. The seller is about a decade off in their estimation - it's from 1951.

Superpacker

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Longines-Vi...645243551?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item58a0397a9f.

In house, and probably an older redial. It's from 1959.

I'd pass on both.

 

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ulackfocus

·Sep 26, 2013

By the way, if any of you guys think Omega has a lot of redials and shenanigans, Longines is just as bad. Could be even worse on a percentage basis.

 

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Patrick Dixon

·Sep 27, 2013

So how do you tell they are redialled? Both dials look pretty simple so there's not much to go on (to the untrained eye).

 

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dsio

·Sep 27, 2013·Ash @ ΩF

Patrick Dixon

So how do you tell they are redialled? Both dials look pretty simple so there's not much to go on (to the untrained eye).

Dennis is one of the very few diehard Longines collectors around, he's got a very good eye for these things (and owns some crazy nice ones)

 

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Patrick Dixon

·Sep 27, 2013

I know, that's why I'm askin'

I have just bought this and I'm quite pleased with it so I would like to understand more.

 

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ulackfocus

·Sep 27, 2013

Patrick Dixon

So how do you tell they are redialled?

The first one is too simple of a font and the spacing between the letters is uneven. The second one has a font from a later era. The lack of SWISS or SWISS MADE is a tip-off too.

 

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Patrick Dixon

·Sep 27, 2013

Thanks, I will look with new eyes.

 

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Tony C.

·Sep 27, 2013·Ωf Jury member

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In house, and probably an older redial. It's from 1959.

Just to spice things up a bit, I'll lodge a disagreement here. I'd say that the LONGINES lettering on the second watch is too fine for it to be a redial, and the condition of the dial is consistent with both the case and age of the watch. So, my vote is "original".

 

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ulackfocus

·Sep 27, 2013

Tony C.

Just to spice things up a bit, I'll lodge a disagreement here. I'd say that the LONGINES lettering on the second watch is too fine for it to be a redial, and the condition of the dial is consistent with both the case and age of the watch. So, my vote is "original".

Fair enough, but I wonder why there isn't SWISS at the bottom of the dial on a NY cased watch. I've seen some pretty good redials using that font which is from about a decade or so later.

 

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Tony C.

·Sep 27, 2013·Ωf Jury member

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Fair enough, but I wonder why there isn't SWISS at the bottom of the dial on a NY cased watch. I've seen some pretty good redials using that font which is from about a decade or so later.

I can only answer that by pointing out that there were exceptions to all such rules back then. But if it is a redial, is damn fine work!

 

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ulackfocus

·Sep 27, 2013

Tony C.

I can only answer that by pointing out that there were exceptions to all such rules back then. But if it is a redial, is damn fine work!

Agreed on the quality of the job.

Did you ever see an ink winged hour glass back then? They were usually applied metal. Didn't really notice the ink versions until the late 60's and early 70's.

 

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Tony C.

·Sep 27, 2013·Ωf Jury member

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Did you ever see an ink winged hour glass back then? They were usually applied metal. Didn't really notice the ink versions until the late 60's and early 70's.

I share your general impression, but I don't know exactly when that transition was made. I actually have a 1953 catalogue that appears to show a non-applied version on one model, but it's not at all clear.

 

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Tony C.

·Sep 27, 2013·Ωf Jury member

Interestingly, here's a similar style dial (albeit in an automatic version) that appears also to have a non-applied logo:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-LON...669092039?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item5af5b144c7

 

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Patrick Dixon

·Sep 27, 2013

I have an ink logo dial with a 1959 23ZS movement in a 14K case. It also has SWISS MADE at the bottom. Of course, it could be a redial too.

 

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ulackfocus

·Sep 27, 2013

We have an official Longines Logo conundrum.

 

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Superpacker

·Sep 27, 2013

This has been fascinating to read, and why I have been posting question like this, I learn a lot. Both of these just seemed to beat to be redials. Good points made by both sides!

 

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CanberraOmega

·Sep 28, 2013

Tony C.

I can only answer that by pointing out that there were exceptions to all such rules back then. But if it is a redial, is damn fine work!

Is it just me, or does the colour not go all the way to the edge of the logo?