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JimInOz · Jan 3, 2016

Good to see you back.
While you may think you've stumbled on a rare grail, the fact that it's on a well known sellers website sort of blows your secret. Don't worry, you can still get a chance at it.

My stuff isn't available right now but I'll be home tomorrow and I'll have a look.

There are so many combinations of this watch/dial/bezel/hands/subdials that it's almost impossible to pin down the correct original configuration unless you have provenance.

In the meantime, here's another variant of the Seamaster (mine).

keepschanging · Jan 3, 2016

Thanks! Lovely watch.

Yeah clearly one of the better known websites, although not even enthusiasts can check every website all the time, and this just widens the audience and potential interest.

But this really isn't a grail to me and I'm not at all that worried - which is why I posted in the first place.

I just think it looks cool and don't even mind if it is a Franken - what I'm most concerned with is being ripped off.

If as you say there is a risk that it's a Franken and it's almost impossible to validate provenance, where roughly would you (all) say the fair price lies?

Much appreciated.

Modest_Proposal · Jan 3, 2016

Well,

The one thing I will say is that you will be paying the "dealer" price for this watch - which basically means more than any private individual could get away with selling it for. With a big seller like Casowatches, you're looking at between 25-50 percent mark-ups, generally.

cicindela · Jan 3, 2016

The case back with 176.001 crossed of is quite normal in this case. That reference had a short run and Omega, in the spirit of waste not, want not, merely crossed it off and reused the excess backs. These are very common.

ahsposo · Jan 4, 2016

tion.

Andy K · Jan 4, 2016

keepschanging
Lol much appreciated guys - yeah I tried to delete the thread because I realised these are somewhat rare and I just advertised it to the whole community of potential purchasers. Couldn't see any way of actually deleting it so I just wrote 'deleted post'. To a mixture of controversy and amusement all around lol

Anyway, I have attached a few pics of the watch from the advertisement including that strange caseback. It's being sold by Casowatches in Italy. From what I read they are a reputable seller, and they are telling me the watch is entirely original.

But it seems some of you disagree. I would be very interested to know. I don't think the bezel is from a GP yachting - the watch essentially looks identical to the Seamaster Yachting 176.010 to me, just with a different colour dial?

And it looks identical to the one previously on sale in Watchuseek as mentioned above.

The advert from Casowatches can be found here:
http://www.casowatches.com/store/cm...92&LANGUAGE=2&CATALOG_ID=1&LEVEL=0&STORE_ID=1

Would be grateful for anyone's thoughts on whether it's Franken - and ultimately roughly what it is worth.

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Still think you're looking at a franken. The dial and bezel you show here are different than the dial and bezel in the WUS ad. Do you have a pic of the outside of the caseback? Here's what I see with the watch you're considering:
-Yachting case is correct
-Bezel is correct for a steel Yachting
-Dial and hands and caseback all appear to be from the more common 176.007

The dial in the WUS ad is an odd one- it follows the design scenario of the yachting but it is most often seen in case ref. 176.005 or 176.007, though has appeared on GP yachtings (which are even less common than steel Yachtings). So though it is hard to be conclusive my guess would be that this one is put together. See this thread and the links within for in-depth musings on all cal. 1040s: https://omegaforums.net/threads/176-007-and-cal-1040-family-review.32325/

keepschanging · Jan 4, 2016

Very interesting.

Not a great endorsement for Casowatches given they told me it was original. Although someone who has dealt with them more often may have a better idea.

Andy K · Jan 4, 2016

keepschanging
Very interesting.

Not a great endorsement for Casowatches given they told me it was original. Although someone who has dealt with them more often may have a better idea.

I've never dealt with them, but I wouldn't be too hard on them either. There is no consensus on what is correct and original when it comes to cal. 1040 watches. Most dials, hands, cases, and casebacks for these watches are compatible across case references and in the 40 years since the movement was discontinued only certain parts were kept or still manufactured for replacements. Thus many "frankens" come by their franken status honestly at least. My above assessment is just my opinion based on observation. I've come to learn that when a dealer says that a watch is 100% original one should take that with a grain of salt. It may be 100% original as far as they know, but that's a claim that is almost impossible to prove.

JH11932 · Jan 5, 2016

I bought my favorite watch from Fabrizio at Casowatches, and found him to be very straightforward. We've chatted about a few other watches over the years, and he's always been very forthcoming about what's a redial, what's been relumed, etc. Though Andy K's point, above, is valid. Who knows what's definitively "100% original."

Here's another 176.001, by the way. I had my eye on this one, but have decided to pass, since I've over-Omegad for the year, if that's possible. (But wait, now it's a new year! Hmmm…) 😉

https://www.chrono24.com/en/omega/vintage-seamaster-chronograph-lemania-1040--id3863824.htm

keepschanging · Jan 5, 2016

Drool!

cvalue13 · Jan 6, 2016

JH11932
Here's another 176.001, by the way. I had my eye on this one, but have decided to pass, since I've over-Omegad for the year, if that's possible. (But wait, now it's a new year! Hmmm…) 😉

https://www.chrono24.com/en/omega/vintage-seamaster-chronograph-lemania-1040--id3863824.htm

All-in-all, a good looking 176.001 - I do, however, note that the case-front may have been re-brushed (note the 'radial' rather than typical 'starburst' brushing); on the other hand, perhaps some 176.001's had radial brushing?

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