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Davidt
·We know the -64 didn't have the bevels and the -65 by the unknown case manufacturer definitely does. Are you saying the -63 didn't have a bevel either?
The Unpolished-Pre-Moon-Straight-Lug-Speedy thread : Show off your facets
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!To my knowledge, the last silver flange was on the 105.002.
Here is a -65 which is normally considered the same case design as the -63. the bevels are pretty noticeable.
Here is a -65 which is normally considered the same case design as the -63. the bevels are pretty noticeable.
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M'Bob
·We know the -64 didn't have the bevels and the -65 by the unknown case manufacturer definitely does. Are you saying the -63 didn't have a bevel either?
My two cents: seen a bunch of these 64's and 65's, not so many '63's, so can't really comment on those. Most of the 64's indeed have no bevel. Minty 65's often have a very shallow bevel on the lug sides, and what I've seen looks too consistent to be by chance. However, they are so shallow that they are easily lost during a service, and become brushed away, giving a similar appearance to a 64, but not exactly, as the lugs sides are shaped slightly differently.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Nicely done, but my guess is that bevel looks too sharp to be original. But happy to be wrong as well.
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OMEGuy
·We know the -64 didn't have the bevels and the -65 by the unknown case manufacturer definitely does. Are you saying the -63 didn't have a bevel either?
I'm new to this forum and my opinion most likely counts 1/4 of your expert views.
That said I believe that there have never been any facettes on straight lug cases from factory. They are all the result of later refinishing.
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Davidt
·My two cents: seen a bunch of these 64's and 65's, not so many '63's, so can't really comment on those. Most of the 64's indeed have no bevel. Minty 65's often have a very shallow bevel on the lug sides, and what I've seen looks too consistent to be by chance. However, they are so shallow that they are easily lost during a service, and become brushed away, giving a similar appearance to a 64, but not exactly, as the lugs sides are shaped slightly differently.
I'm new to this forum and my opinion most likely counts 1/4 of your expert views.
That said I believe that there have never been any facettes on straight lug cases from factory. They are all the result of later refinishing.
I think we can be confident the -64 had no bevel.
The -65 certainly has the narrow bevel from the factory. I have an unpolished example and there are several out there. The problem is the -65 sub reference was made by an unknown maker who was only commissioned for the -65. Therefore it actually makes sense that it shouldn't be identical to the -64 or even the -63. I had assumed the -63 originally had one but I've never owned a -63 nor seen one claimed to be nos or unpolished.
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airansun
·My best -65, by every appearance nearly unworn when it came to me.
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·Well, let's see those -63's then. I can't imagine there's a huge amount on the forum.
Does anyone else have a -63 without/without a even they believe to be unpolished?
Does anyone else have a -63 without/without a even they believe to be unpolished?
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oddboy
·I'm new to this forum and my opinion most likely counts 1/4 of your expert views.
That said I believe that there have never been any facettes on straight lug cases from factory. They are all the result of later refinishing.
And here I thought those beveled straight lugs were one of the defining features of the (beveled) straight lugs speedmasters.
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drhex
·Only thing I can say is that the Omega museum says that straight lugs had no bevel from the factory. I own six of which none have a bevel to speak of but they all had a hard enough life to make it disappear. Know another collector in DE who has quite a complement and says the same. Would be interesting to find a few where we can be sure that they have never been refinished/serviced to prove it one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised personally if bevels were ground on once the newer style watches had them. Even that would be far enough in the past to be hard to prove.
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OMEGuy
·Only thing I can say is that the Omega museum says that straight lugs had no bevel from the factory. I own six of which none have a bevel to speak of but they all had a hard enough life to make it disappear. Know another collector in DE who has quite a complement and says the same. Would be interesting to find a few where we can be sure that they have never been refinished/serviced to prove it one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised personally if bevels were ground on once the newer style watches had them. Even that would be far enough in the past to be hard to prove.
Or the other way round: the Professional had the facettes because one had realized they were practical for daily wear.
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Davidt
·I can say for certain the -65's had a bevel from the factory.
Mine isn't NOS but bought direct from original owner and it had never been serviced.
You may be right about the -63's not having a bevel - I genuinely don't know, but you're wrong about the -65 not having one.
Mine isn't NOS but bought direct from original owner and it had never been serviced.
You may be right about the -63's not having a bevel - I genuinely don't know, but you're wrong about the -65 not having one.
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queriver
·This is interesting even though I don't have Speedmasters from the mid 60s. Regarding the existence or otherwise of bevelling from the factory, the thing that surprises me is that, unlike other watch manufacturers who ceased operation, merged or were sold during the quartz crisis, Omega carried on more or less intact. Therefore, I would have thought Omega should still have blueprints and photos of every Speedmaster symmetrical caseband model produced filed away somewhere within the organisation and access to them would put this uncertainty to rest. Retaining that type of corporate memory (knowledge management) should have been taken seriously then, the 60s is not that long ago after all (at least not for me!).
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Only thing I can say is that the Omega museum says that straight lugs had no bevel from the factory. I own six of which none have a bevel to speak of but they all had a hard enough life to make it disappear. Know another collector in DE who has quite a complement and says the same. Would be interesting to find a few where we can be sure that they have never been refinished/serviced to prove it one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised personally if bevels were ground on once the newer style watches had them. Even that would be far enough in the past to be hard to prove.
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SouthernScot
·Just came across this thread and read with interest. I’m certainly no expert and my photographic skills are not great so I will make no comment on facets or no facets.
However I do have a 65 which has been mine since new so you may be able to draw your own conclusions from it. I can guarantee it has never been polished, but it was worn as my only watch for forty years so has been well used!
Hope this is some help.
However I do have a 65 which has been mine since new so you may be able to draw your own conclusions from it. I can guarantee it has never been polished, but it was worn as my only watch for forty years so has been well used!
Hope this is some help.
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OMEGuy
·So when Omega released the 2998 copy FOIS and more recently the 2915 copy 70th LE they faithfully copied a feature added only by refinishers? Interesting. I had heard debate on the extent of the bevel, but not if there should be one at all. No, I don’t buy it, not for anything after a 2998 anyhow (excluding the -64). You only need to look through MWO. I would be prepared to believe the earliest watches were different but not that.
I think that often wrong things are considered right if they were wrong long enough.
Referring to the recent re-editions, I know that they were not aware of the original case design, though they would have been able to find it in their own archives.
Show me the bevel on this one:
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