The Tyre Extinguishers

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Last night over 100 SUVs in my neighbourhood were targeted by this group. They left a message as to why they were doing what they were doing ( letting down tyres). As a car owner i escaped their wrath. But where do peoples sympathies lie? Do they have a point? Interested to hear the views
 
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It’s vandalism- that’s it. Not your property, don’t touch it.
I’m all for making a political point be it through peaceful protest, consumer empowerment (make your opinion known with your wallet), or bombarding your elected representative with correspondence until they listen.
But when you target fellow civilian citizens with acts of terror, regardless of how benign- you have just become a terrorist.

I do agree however that unless you are hauling a trailer, hauling construction materials or doing remote forestry work, there is no need to drive a Suburban, Armada, F250 or whatever massive vehicle is hot this year. We did just fine going to soccer practice in my mother’s Datsun 280z.
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It’s vandalism- that’s it. Not your property, don’t touch it.
I’m all for making a political point be it through peaceful protest, consumer empowerment (make your opinion known with your wallet), or bombarding your elected representative with correspondence until they listen.
But when you target fellow civilian citizens with acts of terror, regardless of how benign- you have just become a terrorist.

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It’s vandalism- that’s it. Not your property, don’t touch it.
I’m all for making a political point be it through peaceful protest, consumer empowerment (make your opinion known with your wallet), or bombarding your elected representative with correspondence until they listen.
But when you target fellow civilian citizens with acts of terror, regardless of how benign- you have just become a terrorist.

I hear you. But do city dwellers need these huge SUVs? Isn't it a bit daft? Are they bad for the environment?
 
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Some people may need an SUV for a portion of their transportation needs and can't afford to buy, license, garage, and maintain a second vehicle for local use.
 
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I hear you. But do city dwellers need these huge SUVs? Isn't it a bit daft? Are they bad for the environment?
I amended my comments just as you were responding:

I do agree however that unless you are hauling a trailer, hauling construction materials or doing remote forestry work, there is no need to drive a Suburban, Armada, F250 or whatever massive vehicle is hot this year. We did just fine going to soccer practice in my mother’s Datsun 280z.

It is conspicuous consumerism IMO to have more than you really need, and that’s not just in terms of luxury items vs practical. A vehicle larger than what is practical for your needs is a waste of gasoline- agreed. The argument that someone feels “safer” in a large vehicle is total bullshit, they are actually less due to their higher center of gravity, and larger mass which results in longer times to stop. In addition, a house that’s a gross consumer of resources (2 floor foyers, 15ft high ceilings, empty bedrooms for guests that may show up once a year) is just as wasteful. Green lawns in drought prone states- these are all status symbols that speak to a lack of sensitivity to our shared environment.
But, these are choices made by individuals and the best way to aid in them seeing the potential harm they may be doing is by education and incentivizing alternative products not acts of vandalism.
 
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I amended my comments just as you were responding:

I do agree however that unless you are hauling a trailer, hauling construction materials or doing remote forestry work, there is no need to drive a Suburban, Armada, F250 or whatever massive vehicle is hot this year. We did just fine going to soccer practice in my mother’s Datsun 280z.

It is conspicuous consumerism IMO to have more than you really need, and that’s not just in terms of luxury items vs practical. A vehicle larger than what is practical for your needs is a waste of gasoline- agreed. The argument that someone feels “safer” in a large vehicle is total bullshit, they are actually less due to their higher center of gravity, and larger mass which results in longer times to stop. In addition, a house that’s a gross consumer of resources (2 floor foyers, 15ft high ceilings, empty bedrooms for guests that may show up once a year) is just as wasteful. Green lawns in drought prone states- these are all status symbols that speak to a lack of sensitivity to our shared environment.
But, these are choices made by individuals and the best way to aid in them seeing the potential harm they may be doing is by education and incentivizing alternative products not acts of vandalism.

It's funny how you mention the house with the empty bedrooms as the chap who's SUV that letter was pinned to, does indeed own a house with around 10 bedrooms. More than enough for his family of four.

The group responsible for these acts feel that their pleas for action have gone unnoticed and that is why they are resorting to these acts.
 
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Some people may need an SUV for a portion of their transportation needs and can't afford to buy, license, garage, and maintain a second vehicle for local use.

IMO most people don't. In fact in my street where a lot of these acts took place ( over 100 in the neighbourhood) most of these SUVs are second cars. A Fiat 500 or mini clubman for the local runaround and the SUV for who knows what.
 
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Don’t condone vandalism, but yes they have a point.

Not only are they wasteful, but are more of a danger on the road than a typical sedan.
 
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My view: Whether or not there is a need for SUVs, they are legal to own. So no, I have no sympathy for this brand of vigilante justice.
 
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Vandalism? 100%. SUV's wasteful? 110%. But I've no tolerance for vandalism or vigilantism.

Here in Vancouver, I see Maserati, Rolls Royce and Bentley SUV's all the time. They're huge, pointless behemoths for the vanity obsessed. There are far better performing SUVs out there (and their drivers are usually better performers, too!).

Do I agree with letting the air out of the tires? No. Out of the owners? Absolutely. 😁
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Please tell us the state you live in so I could stay the fυck away. I could probably guess it’s in the northeastern part of the USA
 
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IMO most people don't. In fact in my street where a lot of these acts took place ( over 100 in the neighbourhood) most of these SUVs are second cars. A Fiat 500 or mini clubman for the local runaround and the SUV for who knows what.

Sounds like pure speculation on your part, but just for giggles, what's your point? That they are not driven very much? If that's the case, then the SUV's aren't causing much harm if they're mainly just sitting on the street. Only the owner really knows how or why they use the vehicle, and IMO it's incredibly presumptuous on your part to judge them without knowing their circumstances.

There are many ways to decrease one's CO2 footprint, and while individual action is important, systemic changes, like wide-scale electrification (ultimately with sustainable electric generation), are arguably even most important, and can affect residential and commercial as well as transportation. If you want to have impact, work on passing laws to build out that infrastructure. I guarantee the new EV law in California is going to have a big impact on that. Our town recently passed a law requiring electric appliances/HVAC in new construction and major remodels.

Anyway, I don't condone the vandalism and I'm not sympathetic to their actions. This whole thing sounds like a way for a group of people to pose as activists and feel superior. They could have left the note on the windshield and left it at that. Hopefully nobody had an emergency situation where they needed to use their vehicle immediately. If they did, the vandals could be liable.
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Please tell us the state you live in so I could stay the fυck away. I could probably guess it’s in the northeastern part of the USA
It’s worldwide I’ve seen them do it in Australia and in the UK as well.

I can see the purpose behind the crossover type things if you have kids, it’s just less back stress putting them in their seat with a higher position. The quality of the roads in the only American city I’ve driven in (Dallas) was so bad that a Yukon was the best way of getting around there and the borrowed sports car I had went back to the owner the same day.

That said the pedestrian safety issues and the mess they make in crashes due to not aligning with the bumpers of cars is rather frustrating.

Cars had to have pop up headlights killed off and increasing requirements for them to be safe for pedestrians have heavily influenced the front end design of cars today, yet SUVs continue flattening people without much change.
 
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That said the pedestrian safety issues and the mess they make in crashes due to not aligning with the bumpers of cars is rather frustrating.

Cars had to have pop up headlights killed off and increasing requirements for them to be safe for pedestrians have heavily influenced the front end design of cars today, yet SUVs continue flattening people without much change.

Agree 100%. They are particularly bad for pedestrians.
 
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It's a free country. Drive whatever you want. If billionaires can take a rocket just to fly 50 miles up for no reason, then I don't care who drives an SUV, even if it's just to take their poodle to the vets.
 
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Yes, vandalism, that is the perfect way to get a person to change their opinion on a topic.
 
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Vandalism pure and simple, and no, they don't have a point. People can spend their money on what they want; cars, houses, boats, travel, watches, take your pick. First they want SUVs off the road, then it will be high powered cars, then your family sedan, it will never end with these people until you are forced onto public transportation, or a bicycle, or their ultimate mode, walking. These are bored, mostly over educated souls that are unhappy with their lives. I refuse to acknowledge or entertain their life issues. They will have ZERO effect on climate change.

My wife and I have four vehicles; an SUV, a sport sedan, a turbo hatchback and a 150 hp sports bike. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have them. That's my decision. Everybody else can butt out.
 
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Yes, vandalism, that is the perfect way to get a person to change their opinion on a topic.
Yea the approach is totally stupid and it will likely come to an end at some stage quite poorly, just because it’s the kind of thing that causes incandescent rage in people. One of those people eventually will be armed when they snap, and it’ll be on the news.

I’d like to be wrong but the thing is this whole idea came from the UK originally where the person you piss off is going to try to throw fists at worst. I don’t think the people realise how much more dangerous this type of action is in a country where people don’t just have fists.
 
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Ok, here we go again. Let’s blame the Cars, Guns and any other object and over look the Root cause of all problems.
 
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Sounds like pure speculation on your part, but just for giggles, what's your point? That they are not driven very much? If that's the case, then the SUV's aren't causing much harm if they're mainly just sitting on the street. Only the owner really knows how or why they use the vehicle, and IMO it's incredibly presumptuous on your part to judge them without knowing their circumstances.

There are many ways to decrease one's CO2 footprint, and while individual action is important, systemic changes, like wide-scale electrification (ultimately with sustainable electric generation), are arguably even most important, and can affect residential and commercial as well as transportation. If you want to have impact, work on passing laws to build out that infrastructure. I guarantee the new EV law in California is going to have a big impact on that. Our town recently passed a law requiring electric appliances/HVAC in new construction and major remodels.

Anyway, I don't condone the vandalism and I'm not sympathetic to their actions. This whole thing sounds like a way for a group of people to pose as activists and feel superior. They could have left the note on the windshield and left it at that. Hopefully nobody had an emergency situation where they needed to use their vehicle immediately. If they did, the vandals could be liable.

The point I am making here? Merely pointing out my observations that people with SUVs often own another car. Hardly speculation when you see it with your own eyes.