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Evitzee Evitzee
Vandalism pure and simple, and no, they don't have a point. People can spend their money on what they want; cars, houses, boats, travel, watches, take your pick. First they want SUVs off the road, then it will be high powered cars, then your family sedan, it will never end with these people until you are forced onto public transportation, or a bicycle, or their ultimate mode, walking. These are bored, mostly over educated souls that are unhappy with their lives. I refuse to acknowledge or entertain their life issues. They will have ZERO effect on climate change.

My wife and I have four vehicles; an SUV, a sport sedan, a turbo hatchback and a 150 hp sports bike. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have them. That's my decision. Everybody else can butt out.

Some people might consider this a selfish attitude to have. There is indeed plenty of evidence to suggest that SUVs
Evitzee Evitzee
Vandalism pure and simple, and no, they don't have a point. People can spend their money on what they want; cars, houses, boats, travel, watches, take your pick. First they want SUVs off the road, then it will be high powered cars, then your family sedan, it will never end with these people until you are forced onto public transportation, or a bicycle, or their ultimate mode, walking. These are bored, mostly over educated souls that are unhappy with their lives. I refuse to acknowledge or entertain their life issues. They will have ZERO effect on climate change.

My wife and I have four vehicles; an SUV, a sport sedan, a turbo hatchback and a 150 hp sports bike. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have them. That's my decision. Everybody else can butt out.

Some, including myself, would consider this viewpoint extremely selfish.
 
Omegafanman
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I guess people got executed after WW2 for following orders…. Sometimes the directive is so obviously wrong doing what the government tells you is not an excuse. You have to take action against the state and fellow citizens for the moral good of the planet.

I do think that the bar for such direct action should be very high. Increasingly we are moving away from individual rights towards a collective action imperative which is driving these behaviours on environmental issues. Governments, media and corporations are pushing multiple issues which can only be solved if everybody does the same thing and mass state intervention/ protection becomes the norm.
On top of that discussion and debate is being replaced by sound bites and perjorative labels - whipped along by social media.
We are on a slippery slope given the feedback loops and technology available to authorities now, so one imagines more and more groups will be taking similar steps to meet the threats they perceive.

Are these people right to block the milk supply in the UK? I wonder if any of them drove there in a 4x4?

Animal Rebellion activists stop milk supply in parts of England

Animal Rebellion activists have blocked access to fresh milk at supermarkets in four cities across the country.
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Activism and fundamentalism are different things. A society needs regulations thru communication and negotiation. Any other way may lead to a change but you never know which way.
 
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mcemeren mcemeren
Activism and fundamentalism are different things. A society needs regulations thru communication and negotiation. Any other way may lead to a change but you never know which way.
And you never know who above is pulling the strings without open discussion and dialogue….
 
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Omegafanman Omegafanman
I guess people got executed after WW2 for following orders…. Sometimes the directive is so obviously wrong doing what the government tells you is not an excuse. You have to take action against the state and fellow citizens for the moral good of the planet.

I do think that bar for such direct action should be very high. Increasingly we are moving away from individual rights towards a collective action imperative which is driving these behaviours on environmental issues. Governments, media and corporations are pushing multiple issues which can only be solved if everybody does the same thing and mass state intervention/ protection becomes the norm.
On top of that discussion and debate is being replaced by sound bites and perjorative labels - whipped along by social media.
We are on a slippery slope given the feedback loops and technology available to authorities now, so one imagines more and more groups will be taking similar steps to meet the threats they perceive.

Are these people right to block the milk supply in the UK? I wonder if any of them drove there in a 4x4?

Animal Rebellion activists stop milk supply in parts of England

Animal Rebellion activists have blocked access to fresh milk at supermarkets in four cities across the country.
I saw the video of this milk protest. As someone who had to work retail while in college to pay my way, my first thought was- have these kids given any consideration to the poor minimum wage worker who is going to spend the next half of their day cleaning this up?
 
Omegafanman
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Sometimes I do wonder if wider agendas are being played out and if the harvesting of data is being used to enhance psychological behavioural manipulation. All in the name of power and control (aka our safety).
If I went into a gallery or shop and attempted to steal milk or steal a painting I suspect my activities would be rapidly disrupted. If I am vandalising artwork or pouring milk in the name of protesting, the same laws and security could surely prevent that if they have a will to act?
In the UK we have had more milk pouring and soup thrown at a a Van Gogh last week. No security appeared to stop them (we also had the metropolitan police sign painted). Press photographers did manage to be on scene and record / report things. Not sure what the security team at Fortnum and Mason were doing - must be a good place to shoplift.
Anyway on the BBC today…. I mean it’s not like the Government / politicians ever make mistakes or might have a vested interest in curbing the rights of legitimate protestors. Labour peer Lord Hain - a former Northern Ireland secretary - called the move "the biggest threat to the right to dissent and the right to protest in my lifetime", adding that it would have "throttled" protests by the suffragettes.

Home Secretary to crack down on 'disruptive' protests with new bill

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63272648

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I’m a lifelong vegetarian and even I can’t stand vegans. Don’t even like being around them. The whole pouring milk out means very little to anyone with deep pockets and ruins the day of minimum wage staff that have to clean up after them so its a quite misguided way to even try to make a statement.
 
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I have a large hybrid SUV that gets alternately used for camping with a family of four, day trips with six people, and toting an enormous amount of archaeological gear about. As well as an 8km commute most days. These vehicles are useful and not always vanity projects.

If you want to get serious about emissions, let’s talk about air travel. But that would be challenging a lot of climate activists’ self image as cosmopolitans…
 
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Omegafanman Omegafanman
Sometimes I do wonder if wider agendas are being played out and if the harvesting of data is being used to enhance psychological behavioural manipulation. All in the name of power and control (aka our safety).
If I went into a gallery or shop and attempted to steal milk or steal a painting I suspect my activities would be rapidly disrupted. If I am vandalising artwork or pouring milk in the name of protesting, the same laws and security could surely prevent that if they have a will to act?
In the UK we have had more milk pouring and soup thrown at a a Van Gogh last week. No security appeared to stop them (we also had the metropolitan police sign painted). Press photographers did manage to be on scene and record / report things. Not sure what the security team at Fortnum and Mason were doing - must be a good place to shoplift.
Anyway on the BBC today…. I mean it’s not like the Government / politicians ever make mistakes or might have a vested interest in curbing the rights of legitimate protestors. Labour peer Lord Hain - a former Northern Ireland secretary - called the move "the biggest threat to the right to dissent and the right to protest in my lifetime", adding that it would have "throttled" protests by the suffragettes.

Home Secretary to crack down on 'disruptive' protests with new bill

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63272648

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I didn’t know Jimmy Carr had dyed his hair pink.

Nice to see him out with Princess Fiona…
 
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I live in an area where the temperatures often reach the minus 30s, F. When I experience “brownouts” in mid-winter because the coterie of plug in electric car drivers are charging their vehicles, I will not be pleased!
 
Archer
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Canuck Canuck
I live in an area where the temperatures often reach the minus 30s, F. When I experience “brownouts” in mid-winter because the coterie of plug in electric car drivers are charging their vehicles, I will not be pleased!

And you shouldn't be. The government should be held to account for not doing the proper planning to ensure the grid is sufficient to meet demand if that happens.
 
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FREDMAYCOIN FREDMAYCOIN
Ok, here we go again. Let’s blame the Cars, Guns and any other object and over look the Root cause of all problems.

Well a topic like this does offer the opportunity for virtue-signaling through pointless pontificating about the obvious...
 
Omegafanman
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I didn’t know Jimmy Carr had dyed his hair pink.

Nice to see him out with Princess Fiona…

Good to see Gary Numan still has his fans I thought ;0)
 
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