The return of my 'restored' Seamaster 145.029 - collectors there isn't anything here for you!

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So I’ve done everything that I’m told I shouldn’t have done with my watch! I’ve had the dial restored (inc. lume) the main hands re-lumed, the chronograph hands re-painted & horror of horrors the case polished. I did also have it serviced with a new (genuine) crystal replacement as well and I have to say I’m really very pleased with the results, even if I have wiped some value off it if I ever decided to sell it – well actually perhaps I haven’t as it was in a rather dire state & I certainly wouldn’t wear it & haven’t for the last 15 years of my 35 years of ownership, but now I will again.

Deciding who should do the work for me was a rather long and tedious process, which was the reason for joining this forum in the first place where the question was asked and I duly started going through the list of recommendations. The resulting range of discussions (email exchanges) and range of estimates was surprisingly diverse to say the least! I’d already put an upper limit on the outlay I would be willing to spend to get the work done, which was a service, new crystal, restored dial (essential IMO) chrono hands repainted, main hands re-lumed & minimal case refinishing. If the first three elements couldn’t be completed within my budget, then the watch would be re-consigned to its storage box and put back in the draw. A few of the recommended people came in over budget with their estimates, some never bothered to respond to my enquires and others, well lets say I just wasn’t comfortable dealing with – I did get loads of offers to buy the watch though!

There was also quite a difference in what people would or could do, some told me that an OEM crystal wasn’t available, others that of course it was, there was also a huge variation in the cost of certain aspects of the work. In the end I settled on the only person who just said yes I can do all of it with no problem, provided an over the phone base estimate, so I sent it off for a full estimate which I duly agreed too and OK'd the work to be done.

Some weeks later I got a picture of the restored dial and I was really disappointed, just too many problems with it IMO, I discussed these via email and there was no drama, they just agreed to do it again and apologised for not getting it right. Now with a dial of this complexity, I wasn’t expecting perfection but the first attempt didn’t meet my ‘threshold of acceptance’ (ToA) as it were, the second attempt certainly did. If you compare an original to my restored dial there are quite obvious differences, but for me these are all acceptable – if I’d have paid more, I’d have expected more and my ToA would have been higher.

In any case the whole process was drama free, the watch is currently keeping very good time, but this is only the fourth day since its return, the chronograph functions fine, with the minute counter moving over just as the sweep second hand passes 12 and all three hand snap perfectly back to the 12 position. The crystal is a genuine OEM item and the case polishing achieved I feel the right balance between freshening up the case without making it look obviously polished, after all it is a 48 year old watch and it certainly had 20 years of hard labour under my ownership, before I put it to one side. The chronograph hands are a shade light perhaps but I’m OK with that, so all in all I’m very happy with the work done by Roberto Facchini of C & F Dial Restoration in Norfolk and should I need anything like this doing in future, won’t hesitate to make them my first port of call.

A few pictures below;



and here is a before;

Paul
 
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What a result Paul.👍 I love the dial on your watch. Very attractive looking Omega Seamaster.
 
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Considering the condition of the watch in the before picture I think it's a very nice result 👍
 
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I think you made the right move. The result is beautiful. Now strap it on and wear it.
 
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You did a restoration judging from the pictures. Not a redial.

Polishing isn’t necessarily bad and the guy that did yours was super sympathetic and did a great job.

Awesome piece.
 
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Nice watch, the blue hand adds something special to this piece. I like that.
 
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Great restoration to bring this price back to a condition that can be worn nicely. Show us some wrist shots!
 
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That’s a lovely, sympathetic restoration. I love the fact that you can still see little dings and pits in the case reflecting its life so far. The dial has been executed very well, a credit to the restorer. You might have done all the wrong things, but you’ve certainly had them done the right way...
 
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Two wrongs doesn’t make a right, or does it in this case?
You have a great looking and wearable watch now!

Just like with classic cars, there is a place for „original and unrestored“ but when the underbody is rusted out and the interior is deteriorating plus the engine needs a service, it wouldn’t make much sense to leave it untouched.

Wear it in the best of health and enjoy it for future decades to come!

Mine says hello 😀.




Cheers,

Max
 
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Not a redial.

Can you please explain? Maybe I'm missing something - do you mean it's "more than just a redial"?

thanks,

Paul
 
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Even though I am a refinish/redial snob like most on here, for those late 60s/early 70s sunburst cases like that, I think they look much better when refinished well than when scratched up or polished smooth. Personally I would have gone the whole hog and got the case laser welded to allow for a perfect finish without any dints. I am either/or: original or factory, if you are having it done, leaving evidence of the previous life makes less sense to me, but that is just me.

When the work is done sympathetically and well like here, it is an improvement. I am fickle since I wouldn't do it to a straight lug Speedmaster unless it was toast but on something like this or a Mk2 I would consider it seriously since a ratty sunburst is nobody's friend and the results speak for themselves.
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It's your watch and very pleased for you that you can wear it again.👍 There's no point in owning a watch that you can't wear and it really looked to have led a hard life. They made a nice job of the dial but, there are some differences as you say.

A question though if you want to answer it - if you leave it for a day with the chronograph reset and off, does the hour counter at 6 O'Clock move?

Cheers, Chris
 
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Even though I am a refinish/redial snob like most on here, for those late 60s/early 70s sunburst cases like that, I think they look much better when refinished well than when scratched up or polished smooth. Personally I would have gone the whole hog and got the case laser welded to allow for a perfect finish without any dints. I am either/or: original or factory, if you are having it done, leaving evidence of the previous life makes sense to me, but that is just me.

When the work is done sympathetically and well like here, it is an improvement. I am fickle since I wouldn't do it to a straight lug Speedmaster unless it was toast but on something like this or a Mk2 I would consider it seriously since a ratty sunburst is nobody's friend and the results speak for themselves.

I was on a restricted budget for the work being done and getting it laser welded would have (at least) quadrupled the cost 😲 and whilst I'm attached to this watch having owned it for many years I'd rather invest in a new watch than spend a small fortune on an old one...

Paul
 
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It's your watch and very pleased for you that you can wear it again.👍 There's no point in owning a watch that you can't wear and it really looked to have led a hard life. They made a nice job of the dial but, there are some differences as you say.

A question though if you want to answer it - if you leave it for a day with the chronograph reset and off, does the hour counter at 6 O'Clock move?

Cheers, Chris

Yes it would have been great if it was absolutely as original, but I'm guessing I'd not even get that if Omega did the dial restoration, indeed looking at many pictures of this model online many have differing details, most 145.029's (unlike mine) seem not to have lume dots at 3, 6 & 9 for instance.

As for the 6 o'clock counter, can't say I've noticed and have to say that each morning when I wind the watch I also run the chronograph for an hour or so - I'll leave it and check it later, what is this an indication of if it does?

Paul
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what is this an indication of if it does?

Paul

It‘s an indication for something called „Chronocreep“ meaning that he Hour chronograph subdial moves without the chronograph function being engaged. A (common) problem with 321/861 caliber Omega Watches. It can be sometimes solved just by an adjustment of the lever that is activated by the chrono pusher, sometimes it can indicate that a service is due as the problem lies deeper.
(Experts feel free to correct me on this if wrong)

Cheers,

Max
 
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I only ask about the hour counter as your minute counter is showing 11 or 41 minutes but the hour counter is bang on the hour mark. That's significantly different for me.
It‘s an indication for something called „Chronocreep“ meaning that he Hour chronograph subdial moves without the chronograph function being engaged. A (common) problem with 321/861 caliber Omega Watches. It can be sometimes solved just by an adjustment of the lever that is activated by the chrono pusher, sometimes it can indicate that a service is due as the problem lies deeper.
(Experts feel free to correct me on this if wrong)

Cheers,

Max
Yes, I was thinking chrono creep. It shouldn't be a common problem after service if the barrel is completely stripped (removing the tension spring and so on) for cleaning and then all correctly lubricated. There shouldn't really be any adjustments needed then but if you don't strip those then the friction can be too high and it creeps.

Cheers, Chris
 
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Can't say I ever really considered the hour counter as I honestly don't use the chrono function anymore. I'll have to have a play and see what it does, but certainly in the last six hours that I've been wearing it the hour counter has stayed on the 12 position, so I'll set it running and see how it responds each hour it counts-up as the chrono hands run and if there's a problem I'll have a chat with Roberto.

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Can you please explain? Maybe I'm missing something - do you mean it's "more than just a redial"?

thanks,

Paul
Cleaning and touching up some areas is not the same as all new printing.
 
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Cleaning and touching up some areas is not the same as all new printing.
This dial was completely re-printed/painted (twice) so I assume they took it back to the base metal!

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This dial was completely re-printed/painted (twice) so I assume they took it back to the base metal!
Paul

Who did this redial job? Bethge in Germany?