The Illinois Pocketwatch Thread

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16s 21j Illinois Santa Fe Special, double sunk Montgomery dial, Cool font, circa 1922.
Nifty Keystone J.Boss gf case

Not properly marked inside or outside, nor a proper set of hands to be RR grade but a top notch pw.

 
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I got a mental image of you wearing a bow tie working under the hood because it's safer than wearing a dangling tie.
Strange you should mention bow ties worn by service station folks! Esso advertised a lot on Canadian television during the Saturday Hockey Night in Canada program. For approximately 20 years (until the 1960s), the pitchman for Esso was the Canadian actor Murray Westgate. Overall the years he pitched for Esso, he dressed as you see him in the picture, replete with bow tie. He wasn’t a mechanic, never actually worked in a filling station, but he did wear a bow tie. He died at age 100 years, in 2018.

 
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While serious shops would not have their mechanics wearing ties (all sorts of bad things could happen due to a tie), some service shops, like Esso as @Canuck pointed out, would have employees at service stations wear ties. Bow ties were common, but so were regular neck ties, tucked into their coveralls .
 
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16s 21j Illinois Santa Fe Special, double sunk Montgomery dial, Cool font, circa 1922.
Nifty Keystone J.Boss gf case

Not properly marked inside or outside, nor a proper set of hands to be RR grade but a top notch pw.

That is a mighty fine watch!

I only own one Santa Fe Special, a 12s. I find pretty much everything about these PLs to be attractive.
 
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While serious shops would not have their mechanics wearing ties (all sorts of bad things could happen due to a tie), some service shops, like Esso as @Canuck pointed out, would have employees at service stations wear ties. Bow ties were common, but so were regular neck ties, tucked into their coveralls .

In anno 2000, on an NAWCC tour of English tower clocks, we visited the tower clock in the Royal Courts of Justice, in London. This clock is so massive and such a challenge to wind that the mechanized winding apparatus rests on rails running parallel to the clock, the length of the clock, a few feet away from the clock. It was an operators job to move this apparatus along the rails, to hook up to the three winding arbors, hook it up, and turn it on. The operator was wearing a tie the last time he went to wind the clock. You guessed it! The clock is now caged, and the winding cannot be activated if there is anyone in the cage. The winding is tripped remotely.

( i once got a favourite tie hooked up with a paper shredder. Fortunately, it had an OFF switch (the shredder did.)
 
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This past week was one of ups and downs for my early Illinois collection. I lost out on a 2nd run unadjusted Bunn, I thought it was mine up until the last half hour of bidding on ebay when the price exploded from my $350 bid up to over $800. I hung in until it hit $600 and decided that I was beaten.

As a consolation prize I picked up two early 7j mov'ts a Mason and a Bates, bringing my early Illinois collection up to five of the nine original grades: I have a Bates, a Mason, a Hoyt, a Currier, and an adjusted Miller; I am still missing an unadjusted Miller, both the adjusted and unadjusted Bunns, and a Stuart.

Both mov'ts are filthy, and the Bates had a dead ladybug fall out of it when I unwrapped it. The Bates is missing a dial and hand set, but under the filth it has a good balance, and think it will be an easy one to get running. The Mason has a nice dial and hand set, but under its filth, it has a broken balance staff. I have a spare parts Model 1 somewhere in my stash, and maybe just maybe its balance staff isn't busted.

 
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I probably don't wear this one enough, a circa 1920 12s Santa Fe Special, grade 274. It's a handsome little watch:
 
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I'm wearing my Model 3 Miller today. It has 17 jewels and is adjusted for isochronism, temperature and to positions. When it was made in 1889 it was a Standard watch, approved for all railroad employees.

The model 3 was made by means of adding a 5th pinon to convert the hunting Model 2 to an open face configuration.

This one is housed in a plain 4 oz coin silver Dueber case with gold hinges.
 
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One thing I forgot to mention about my Model 3 Miller in the previous post is that the 16th and 17th jewels are not on the center wheel, but are on the 5th pinion. This is something @Canuck and I have spoken about previously in this thread and as far as I can tell from his observations on it and my subsequent research is a quirk of the Model 3 Miller, Bunn, and Stuart grades.
 
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I've acquired a Model 2 Bunn, circa 1882. I've been focused on Model 1s lately, but I couldn't pass this one up. The Model two is a transitional movement for Illinois. The Model 1 was a key wind, key set mov't and the Model 2 can be wound with a key or wound via rgw crown, and they are lever set. This one is early enough to have Wheeler's patent micro-regulator instead of Chalmer's. It runs for 32 hours and keeps time fairly well, but because it's so filthy I won't be running it again until it gets serviced. It's in a pretty nice 6 oz Keystone coin case and came with this British marked sterling chain that weighed in at just over 1oz troy.
 
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I had another new one come home today. A 15J Model 2 Adjusted Miller, circa 1881. This one started running as soon as I pulled it out, so I think it will make another good runner after a service.
 
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My last new watch (for awhile anyway) arrived yesterday. It is a Model 3 Stuart, circa 1880. When this watch was made it was the highest grade that Illinois made. I was watching the auction for this one on Ebay and wasn't going to make a bid because I felt I had made enough watch purchases for at least a year, but this one had no bids and the starting bid was a touch under the melt value of the 5 oz Dueber coin silver case. Mine was the only bid and after shipping and tax I snagged it for about $20 over the melt value, $326. I feel like it was a heck of a bargain.

The Model 3 is essentially a Model 2 with the addition of a fifth pinon to convert the watch from a hunting configuration to an open face. This one has a single sunk dial with simple block letters, a nice set of open morning glory hands, and 17 j (with two on the fifth pinon). One curious thing about this one is that it has a square cannon pinon. I am not sure if that is original or if it was a cannon pinon from a Model 1 that someone fitted to it...
 
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I’ve mentioned this before, about the Illinois model 3 with the fifth pinion which carries the seconds hand. The seconds bit on the dial of a model 3 is located further inboard from the edge of the dial than is the case on all other Illinois 18-size dials. All because of the location of the fifth pinion.
 
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My last new watch (for awhile anyway) arrived yesterday. It is a Model 3 Stuart, circa 1880. When this watch was made it was the highest grade that Illinois made. I was watching the auction for this one on Ebay and wasn't going to make a bid because I felt I had made enough watch purchases for at least a year, but this one had no bids and the starting bid was a touch under the melt value of the 5 oz Dueber coin silver case. Mine was the only bid and after shipping and tax I snagged it for about $20 over the melt value, $326. I feel like it was a heck of a bargain.

The Model 3 is essentially a Model 2 with the addition of a fifth pinon to convert the watch from a hunting configuration to an open face. This one has a single sunk dial with simple block letters, a nice set of open morning glory hands, and 17 j (with two on the fifth pinon). One curious thing about this one is that it has a square cannon pinon. I am not sure if that is original or if it was a cannon pinon from a Model 1 that someone fitted to it...
The model 2 and model 3 Illinois movements are basically “transitional” movements meaning many can be wound or set either with the stem, or with a key. The Illinois model 3 with the square on the cannon pinion, ( @Waltesefalcon ) allows the hands to be set with a key. I also have an Illinois model 3. Unlike the model 3 pictured by @Waltesefalcon which has the tip of the cannon pinion, square, to enable setting the hands by using the key, my model 3 can only be set with the crown. No square on the cannon pinion. Which is factory? What I find to be odd is that, according to the pocketwatchdatabase, the Illinois model 3 posted by @Waltesefalcon with the key set hands was made rica 1889, while my model 3 can not be set with a key, yet mine is earlier (circa 1880)! I’da thought the earlier one would the one equipped for setting with a key!
 
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The model 2 and model 3 Illinois movements are basically “transitional” movements meaning many can be wound or set either with the stem, or with a key. The Illinois model 3 with the square on the cannon pinion, ( @Waltesefalcon ) allows the hands to be set with a key. I also have an Illinois model 3. Unlike the model 3 pictured by @Waltesefalcon which has the tip of the cannon pinion, square, to enable setting the hands by using the key, my model 3 can only be set with the crown. No square on the cannon pinion. Which is factory? What I find to be odd is that, according to the pocketwatchdatabase, the Illinois model 3 posted by @Waltesefalcon with the key set hands was made rica 1889, while my model 3 can not be set with a key, yet mine is earlier (circa 1880)! I’da thought the earlier one would the one equipped for setting with a key!
You may have gotten my serial number wrong, it's 61,272. It's listed as being made in October, 1880 in Meggers and Erhardt.
 
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You may have gotten my serial number wrong, it's 61,272. It's listed as being made in October, 1880 in Meggers and Erhardt.
I have no idea where I got that number! Probably read off the wrong watch. One might well wonder how two pocket watches with such dissimilar serial numbers could have been made in the same year! Yours is the earlier one which might explain the square on the minute hand. But then, these factories were not averse to “updating” older inventory, in this case to modify a model 2 movement to make it a model 3. I guess we’ll never know.