The "bad watchmaking by others" thread...

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I see a lot of very bad work done by other watchmakers, but sometimes things I see are quite puzzling in addition to being bad. They often involve bad repairs that take more work to accomplish than the proper repair would take, but then again sometimes they are just strange and seem to have no real purpose. Here's an example from a watch that came in recently with a 550 series Omega movement inside. When I removed the barrel, I saw this:



Now, I see a lot of mainspring barrels that are filled with so much oil, that I have often thought a drain plug would be nice, but this is the first I've seen where someone has actually drilled a hole in the barrel. Closer look:



I will say it's nice work - nice clean hole and a good countersink on it. Still have no idea why someone would do this. So the photos above show the barrel drum, but what about the cover?



If 1 hole is good, then 3 must be even better! 🤣

So what are the implications? The wall of the barrel drum is worn out so that had to be replaced anyway, but did this do any actual harm?



What you can see here in the barrel cover is that it had been deformed enough near the hole that the mainspring has been rubbing on the inside of the cover. This will cause drag, wear, and is generally not good.

Omega used to sell all 4 parts of the barrel separately (mainspring, drum, cover, and arbor), but then started selling the drum, cover, and arbor as a set of 3 parts. But very recently they changed to selling a "barrel complete" so the entire assembly already to go, so that's what will likely go into this watch once I address some other issues.

If you have any bad or strange things you have come across when working on a watch, let's put it in this thread.

Cheers, Al
 
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Many decades ago, a fellow I had just met at a local watch collector meeting, asked me if I would take a look at his very rare 1883 model Waltham with a Dominion Atlantic Railroad locomotive and tender in 4 colour Limoge enamel, painted on the dial. He’d had it “serviced (he told me who’d done it, little wonder), but it wouldn’t run! When I took it apart, I found the jerk had replaced a pallet stone, with a roller jewel!

Another time, a local auctioneer sent me a Rolex Date-Just for an opinion. These movements are held tight in the case by two case screws. When putting the movement into the case, it is necessary to orient the movement so that the case screws are properly located. Then, these two case screws are “loosened” (that’s right, loosened) to hold the movement tight. Well, whoever it was, broke the heads off both case screws, located them where they belong, and CRAZY GLUED the heads into position. Well, the glue managed to also crazy glue the shanks of both screws into the pillar plate! I advised the auctioneer to tell the owner to send the watch to Rolex for them to deal with it. $1,600.00 later he got the watch back, and the auctioneer sold it for $8,000.00!
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I see a lot of very bad work done by other watchmakers, but sometimes things I see are quite puzzling in addition to being bad. They often involve bad repairs that take more work to accomplish than the proper repair would take, but then again sometimes they are just strange and seem to have no real purpose. Here's an example from a watch that came in recently with a 550 series Omega movement inside. When I removed the barrel, I saw this:



Now, I see a lot of mainspring barrels that are filled with so much oil, that I have often thought a drain plug would be nice, but this is the first I've seen where someone has actually drilled a hole in the barrel. Closer look:



I will say it's nice work - nice clean hole and a good countersink on it. Still have no idea why someone would do this. So the photos above show the barrel drum, but what about the cover?



If 1 hole is good, then 3 must be even better! 🤣

So what are the implications? The wall of the barrel drum is worn out so that had to be replaced anyway, but did this do any actual harm?



What you can see here in the barrel cover is that it had been deformed enough near the hole that the mainspring has been rubbing on the inside of the cover. This will cause drag, wear, and is generally not good.

Omega used to sell all 4 parts of the barrel separately (mainspring, drum, cover, and arbor), but then started selling the drum, cover, and arbor as a set of 3 parts. But very recently they changed to selling a "barrel complete" so the entire assembly already to go, so that's what will likely go into this watch once I address some other issues.

If you have any bad or strange things you have come across when working on a watch, let's put it in this thread.

Cheers, Al



I would think the holes were for ventilation while winding, of course. Owner said the watch got "hot" when wound.😀
 
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Here's an example I found when I went to restore a vintage Cyma pocket watch.

Barrel bridge looks OK


Uh Oh!



Somebody has been here before.



I quietly put the parts back in the old cigarette box and put it away again.

 
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OMG, is that a piece of sheet metal?
As Al noted in the thread, a couple of pieces of shim metal.
 
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How about this Certina? Searching for dial retainer screws yielded nothing so I started to pry...and pry...and pry. Needless to say, the date was not functioning properly.

 
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Don’t have photos but one of the Speedmaster Cal 321s I bought as a project watch had broken dial feet and had been glued down, not the first time I’ve seen that but my watchmaker had trouble getting it off and said it was held on with rubber.

With some heat and cutting he separated it and I was able to help him identify it was three small blobs of Sikaflex. I’ve used it myself on automotive trim but I never knew it was a watchmaking staple.
 
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Here's a classic from the old days.
Balance staff too tight?
Not enough clearance?
Bugger, I haven't got time to do it the right way I need to get to the pub.
Quick fix.

Grabs a graver, gouges some grooves in the main plate under the balance cock. This raises little peaks at the end of the gouge.
When the balance cock is fitted, there'll probably be too much end shake now. No probs mate, just tighten it down, she'll be apples.



Tightening down causes the little flat parts on the "peaks" that you can see here.



He probably got to the pub on time though.

Bonus ❤️ if you can tell me what these marks are known as in official watchmaker terminology.
 
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Maybe the Drillwatchmaker wanted to be able to look inside the Barrel for some reason.
 
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Here's a classic from the old days.
Balance staff too tight?
Not enough clearance?
Bugger, I haven't got time to do it the right way I need to get to the pub.
Quick fix.

Grabs a graver, gouges some grooves in the main plate under the balance cock. This raises little peaks at the end of the gouge.
When the balance cock is fitted, there'll probably be too much end shake now. No probs mate, just tighten it down, she'll be apples.



Tightening down causes the little flat parts on the "peaks" that you can see here.



He probably got to the pub on time though.

Bonus ❤️ if you can tell me what these marks are known as in official watchmaker terminology.
Pig’s ears!
 
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The holes are to balance the barrel.
Probably so the watch can be “cleaned” without taking it apart!
 
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You'd remember this recent classic "bodge" Al.

Lol

thats really cool temporary idea and might be helpful on pocket watches
I use to find so many faults as well when been servicing watches
 
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The holes are to balance the barrel.
Or to lighten it to make it go faster. Classic Motorcycle trick.
 
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Whoever hacked out part of the case definitely qualifies. Presumably they couldn’t work out how to remove the movement. I am also going to blame them for loosing/breaking the missing lever.

I think I will file the damaged area to smoothen the edges and make it a bit less jarring. Doubt I will ever find a replacement lever.

 
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Holes in the barrel to reduce friction. Genius.
It also gives it that sleek skeletonized look.