Swiss Made vs T Swiss Made T vs Swiss Made T

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I'm sure this has been asked and answered before, but having a hard time finding it.
Could someone help me clarify the difference between Swiss Made, T Swiss Made T, and Swiss Made T on the dials?

Thanks.
 
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The rules don’t always apply, that’s the first rule. But in general terms for, say a late 1960s Constellation or Seamaster,

Swiss Made = non luminous dial & hands.
T Swiss Made T = Luminous dial & hands (tritium).
Swiss Made T = Non-luminous dial & luminous hands (tritium).
OM SWISS MADE OM = non-luminous gold dial & hands.
 
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Can’t forget about the Swiss-T<25 dial 😗

But alas, I see this thread is in the Omega section…
 
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Can’t forget about the Swiss-T<25 dial 😗

But alas, I see this thread is in the Omega section…
Then there are…

O SWISS MADE O
-T SWISS MADE T-
-SWISS MADE-
O T SWISS MADE T O
Etc etc
 
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The rules don’t always apply, that’s the first rule. But in general terms for, say a late 1960s Constellation or Seamaster,

Swiss Made = non luminous dial & hands.
T Swiss Made T = Luminous dial & hands (tritium).
Swiss Made T = Non-luminous dial & luminous hands (tritium).
OM SWISS MADE OM = non-luminous gold dial & hands.

just for clarity ( or is that just to add to the confusion) there are many 60s Constellations with SWISS MADE T that have tritium lume on both the dial and hands.
It had been suggested that the quantity of lume on the hands/dial was reflected by the single T but the visible evidence doesn’t support this, so it is likely to be a dial manufacturer thing.
 
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Similar for the ref 166.002. Plenty of examples with Swiss Made T but lume on hands and dials.
 
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It was not specified in the ISO 3157 norm so i think it is just done for esthetic reasons. From FHH site ;

SWISS T 25 (T SWISS MADE)
Swiss T 25 (T Swiss made) | Swiss T 25 (T Swiss made T) | Swiss T 25 (T Swiss made)
So that watches (and timekeeping devices in general) can be read in the dark, the numerals, hour markers and hands must be coated with a luminescent substance. As a general rule, the light emitted is either photoluminescent (using energy absorbed from a light source) or radioluminescent (using the radioactive property of the coating substance).

Radioluminescence is generally reserved for watches intended for professional use, such as military watches or diving watches, and is strictly regulated by ISO 3157 which allows only two types of radionuclides: tritium (3H) and promethium (147 Pm). Both these radionuclides emit very low-energy radiation.

ISO 3157 provides for optional marking of timekeeping devices that emit less than a certain value. This marking can be shown on the dial as follows:

  • tritium-activated deposits: T
  • promethium-activated deposits: Pm
In contrast, devices that emit above this value must be marked as follows:

  • tritium-activated deposits: T 25
  • promethium-activated deposits: Pm 0.5
"T Swiss made T" means that the watch is Swiss and contains a certain quantity of tritium that emits less than 227 MBq (7.5 mCi). "Swiss T<25" means that the watch is Swiss and contains a certain quantity of tritium that emits less than 925 MBq (25 mCi). Most Swiss watches use photoluminescent light emission, sometimes indicated by the optional marking, "L Swiss Made L".
 
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I found a T Swiss Made T Seamaster 600 from 1966. The dial is lumed but the hands aren't (they're black).
Would this mean this is probably not the correct hands? Or does tritium ever turn black after it ages?
 
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Tritium can turn black but the hands could well have been replaced. Got a pic?
 
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Swiss Made T = Non-luminous dial & luminous hands (tritium)
Would you give an example?
 
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Would you give an example?
It was already pointed out earlier in the thread that:

just for clarity ( or is that just to add to the confusion) there are many 60s Constellations with SWISS MADE T that have tritium lume on both the dial and hands.
It had been suggested that the quantity of lume on the hands/dial was reflected by the single T but the visible evidence doesn’t support this, so it is likely to be a dial manufacturer thing.
 
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This thread is like being back in my first year law school classroom. No sleep for me tonight. 😲😲😲
 
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It was not specified in the ISO 3157 norm so i think it is just done for esthetic reasons. From FHH site ;

SWISS T 25 (T SWISS MADE)
Swiss T 25 (T Swiss made) | Swiss T 25 (T Swiss made T) | Swiss T 25 (T Swiss made)
So that watches (and timekeeping devices in general) can be read in the dark, the numerals, hour markers and hands must be coated with a luminescent substance. As a general rule, the light emitted is either photoluminescent (using energy absorbed from a light source) or radioluminescent (using the radioactive property of the coating substance).

Radioluminescence is generally reserved for watches intended for professional use, such as military watches or diving watches, and is strictly regulated by ISO 3157 which allows only two types of radionuclides: tritium (3H) and promethium (147 Pm). Both these radionuclides emit very low-energy radiation.

ISO 3157 provides for optional marking of timekeeping devices that emit less than a certain value. This marking can be shown on the dial as follows:

  • tritium-activated deposits: T
  • promethium-activated deposits: Pm
In contrast, devices that emit above this value must be marked as follows:

  • tritium-activated deposits: T 25
  • promethium-activated deposits: Pm 0.5
"T Swiss made T" means that the watch is Swiss and contains a certain quantity of tritium that emits less than 227 MBq (7.5 mCi). "Swiss T<25" means that the watch is Swiss and contains a certain quantity of tritium that emits less than 925 MBq (25 mCi). Most Swiss watches use photoluminescent light emission, sometimes indicated by the optional marking, "L Swiss Made L".
Thanks for this post -- informative.
 
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What exactly is it you think you have spotted there? This is a forum about omega watches and that is not. What did I miss?

It’s not great that this thread was bumped as some of the first posts aren’t exactly correct!
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Agree. It should be pointed out that ‘Swiss Made T’ does not mean non lumed dial but lumed hands. It means lume on both the dial and hands, just like ‘T Swiss Made T’.