Superb Vintage JLC - Fresh to Market for forum members!

Tony C. · Aug 30, 2015

I have been very active acquiring watches in recent months, and am willing to let a few go as a result.

Here is a really superb vintage Jaeger LeCoultre from the 1950s, and probably as fine an example of the genre as you will be able to find.

It is fully original, and in excellent condition throughout, with only the smallest traces of use. The steel case is 34mm excluding the original, unsigned crown, and retains its original finish (note the contrast of the brushing and polishing). The caliber P478 is an absolute classic, and was used as the base for one of the finest hand-wind movements ever, the 478BWSbr used in JLC's own Geophysic. Follow this link for a comparison photo:

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1224/gophysic21.jpg

The photos should answer most remaining questions, though please note that I and the watch are located in Lisbon, Portugal. That means that a European-based buyer should not incur taxes.

I am willing to ship either registered and insured post at my asking price, or FedEx for an additional $75.

My price is $SOLD!, and I will accept either Paypal (split fee) or bank transfer.

Feel free to ask any questions!

Cheers,

Tony C.

RawArcher · Aug 30, 2015

I implore the mods stick to their guns here. It's the right call for many reasons and no one should be above the rules. I bought a watch from a non-regular on the forum (<200 posts....hasn't been around for a long time now) and being a newbie, probably did not make a very informed decision. To be clear, I hold myself 100% to blame in this case (or, so I think)........but when I rcv'd the watch, it had issues. So, naturally, I wanted to learn more about my mistakes by reviewing the pictures to see what I should have seen vs. what might not have been visible and/or hard to detect. Only problem was the pictures were gone.....so no learning except "buyer be smarter". Of course, I sent a PM to the seller, but he refused to re-post. Claimed the pix were destroyed. I probably should have discussed this with the mods, but just chose to move on.

Long winded way of making my point, but......mods.....please keep these rules. Once the pix start coming down, the descriptions will be next!

Thanks, Tom

Nobel Prize · Aug 30, 2015

RawArcher
I implore the mods stick to their guns here. It's the right call for many reasons and no one should be above the rules. I bought a watch from a non-regular on the forum (<200 posts....hasn't been around for a long time now) and being a newbie, probably did not make a very informed decision. To be clear, I hold myself 100% to blame in this case (or, so I think)........but when I rcv'd the watch, it had issues. So, naturally, I wanted to learn more about my mistakes by reviewing the pictures to see what I should have seen vs. what might not have been visible and/or hard to detect. Only problem was the pictures were gone.....so no learning except "buyer be smarter". Of course, I sent a PM to the seller, but he refused to re-post. Claimed the pix were destroyed. I probably should have discussed this with the mods, but just chose to move on.

Long winded way of making my point, but......mods.....please keep these rules. Once the pix start coming down, the descriptions will be next!

Thanks, Tom

That's exactly right. You can post the originals with a watermark if you want but one has to be able to go back and see if the products fits the advertisement. I do agree the final sale price doesn't need to be disclosed, but the asking price yes.

g-boac · Aug 30, 2015

both of the past two posts, from Sergio and Tom are spot-on. Omega Forums are one of the premier communities on the web of ANY brand, in terms of membership quality and knowledge.

I think bottom line is - the rules on the forum are fair, and work for everybody's protection. And generally, posting even DOZENS of pictures of a watch doesn't compromise it. It's fair to blur out or obscure a few digits of truly unique identifying information such as serial number on watch, case, or warranty card/papers/receipt (as applicable), but all other watch information should be openly posted. Along with as many high-quality photos as the seller deems appropriate to advertise his product.

This does not compromise the individual watch (seriously - do a google search for "Omega Speedmaster", "Rolex Submariner", "Omega 2915", or "Rolex 6538", and you'll have more images come up that you can finish looking at before bedtime tonight!!), and, it provides a level of both information and protection to both buyer and seller.

gatorcpa · Aug 30, 2015

RawArcher
I implore the mods stick to their guns here. It's the right call for many reasons and no one should be above the rules.

I don't speak for the rest of the moderators, but I don't think this policy is going to change. I just wanted to give Tony and other sellers a compromise between disclosure and privacy that should work for all.

My feeling is that it's their deal, but sellers shouldn't take down what was originally posted. In other words, it is impossible to remove what was never there.

Ultimately, the decision is with the sellers. I would hate to see good ones leave. Read Gresham's Law.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Greshams-law

Tony is one of the good ones.
gatorcpa

RawArcher · Aug 30, 2015

Thanks gatorcpa........I actually think your compromise suggestion is a decent idea and agree Tony is one of the good ones......but would also point out that Tony (or anyone else) has never once mentioned anything about taking pix down in the seller's interests....but rather the buyer's. IMO....if a seller leaves or avoids OF because the rules aren't protective enough of buyers, we have a seller whose motives are irrational and/or unclear. Not saying that's why anyone has taken down pix in the past (or in this case), but if they leave because they cant take them down, well........

I'm sure I could be missing something, always a problems when drinking and skimming, and if so am willing to be corrected!

RawArcher · Aug 30, 2015

Btw.....I may be more in my element talking about matching watch and strap logos, so searching to revive that thread!

Mad Dog!!!!!!!!

MMMD · Aug 30, 2015

gatorcpa
...Ultimately, the decision is with the sellers. I would hate to see good ones leave. Read Gresham's Law.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Greshams-law

Tony is one of the good ones.
gatorcpa

Tony C is Good Money. That should in fact be his ΩF nickname.

gatorcpa · Aug 30, 2015

RawArcher
IMO....if a seller leaves or avoids OF because the rules aren't protective enough of buyers, we have a seller whose motives are irrational and/or unclear. Not saying that's why anyone has taken down pix in the past (or in this case), but if they leave because they cant take them down, well........

Some buyers are secretive and don't want others to know what they are doing, even though their screen names not visible unless they request it.

I think Tony's problem has to do with people who use images from the web for commercial purposes. That is technically illegal as I understand it, regardless of copyright registration. It's happened to me as well. Can't say I was happy about it, but I also realize that we lose control of images once they are on online.

Which is why we all need to be careful what we post. A person I greatly respect said never to post or e-mail something that you wouldn't want printed on the front page of the New York Times. Because it could wind up there.

That's also why I sign every post I make here.
gatorcpa

Tony C. · Aug 30, 2015

Thanks for all of input, guys, and the support (gator and MMMD, etc.).

It was my fault initially for not being aware of the rules, and I was simply voicing my preferences. I'm not expecting any changes, and can see both sides of the argument, but have become more sensitive to the issue recently as even some substantial posts that I've made on some forums have been copied whole hog and reproduced on sites with no original content. Really irritating, and of course I'm hardly the only one who has been targeted.

I remember years ago when I was spending a good deal of time on the official IWC forum. There was a particular contributor with whom I had a few run-ins, but she was very knowledgable. I recall that she would delete her images within a day or two of posting - always. I found it odd, but now find myself for the first time inclined to do some of the same with images of my own (not for sale) watches.

Cheers,

Tony C.

Nobel Prize · Aug 30, 2015

There are images I posted here that ended up on other forums or Pinterest etc, it did bother me but of all the photography I make and sell a few wrist shots of watches don't really matter much to me.

Now if I see them used to sell another watch then that is something that bothers me. Not the case that I'm aware of.

Darlinboy · Aug 30, 2015

Tony C.
Since my comments were apparently a bit too nuanced for you, I'll point out first that I was responding specifically to this:

" If you use this free space to sell your watches, at least you can in return provide data back that can be used to judge the offering and the market."

Secondly, I don't consider myself to be above the rules - I wasn't aware of them. At the same time, however, I feel quite comfortable disagreeing with them, and considering them when choosing whether or not to use the sales forum in the future.

Yes, no doubt your carefully crafted message was far too nuanced for me to understand.

At the same time, I do understand condescension. You've demonstrated it quite well, and without nuance, by the way, so thank you for that, otherwise I might have missed it. 🙄

gatorcpa · Aug 30, 2015

Tony C.
There was a particular contributor with whom I had a few run-ins, but she was very knowledgable. I recall that she would delete her images within a day or two of posting - always.

I would find that more than odd, it's irritating. Why not just delete the entire post, or better yet, not post at all? Like Dennis says, "without pictures, this is worthless".

And this is coming from someone who would like to found the world's first anti-social network!
gatorcpa

Tony C. · Aug 30, 2015

gatorcpa
I would find that more than odd, it's irritating. Why not just delete the entire post, or better yet, not post at all? Like Dennis says, "without pictures, this is worthless".

And this is coming from someone who would like to found the world's first anti-social network!
gatorcpa

She is/was a very odd bird, so it was, in a sense, in character. She also pronounced confident judgments about dial originality from less than great images as if she had them in her hand with a 10x loupe. The irritation did tend to outweigh her fairly deep knowledge of the brand.

marturx · Aug 30, 2015

IMO we had a good debate.

Once again I get reminded that what's obvious to me, clearly isn't it to others. That's a good thing to realise every now and then

ulackfocus · Aug 30, 2015

a) NFW!

b) The freedom to question authority and the rules will always exist. This isn't a totalitarian forum. Don't expect a democracy either, but if you have doubts about anything being fair we're always open to discussion.

c) NFW!

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