We’ve reported on a blue dial Speedmaster 105.012 and a blue dial Speedmaster 145.012 before in our Speedy Tuesday features, but never on an earlier reference with this dial colour. These dials are still a bit of a vague territory, at least for us, as no one exactly know how many of these watches are […]
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For me this explanation doesn't pass Oggham's razor.
And is the extract recent or one of the old ones as it mentions the dial colour?
For me this explanation doesn't pass Oggham's razor.
And is the extract recent or one of the old ones as it mentions the dial colour?
What about it?
Interesting that I couldn't get an extract for my 105.003 -63, but they confirmed that it was delivered to Germany, November 2nd, 1964.
My Serial is 20.522.160 so 264 numbers BEFORE the blue one Phillips is selling.
Nico
So they only recorded the delivery date (which might equal payment date) as they had no record on anything else. The fact that the watch is 264 numbers before the blue one doesn't say much. Movement batches were registered per 10 and the production date of a movement can be far-far away from the production date (or delivery date) of an entire watch. Did you reach out to the archives to see what the production date of the movement is?
Please don't get me wrong, not trying to start some evil mass-debate (nasty pun that), merely this jumped to mind when reading the official explanation for the mismatched papers :
https://omegaforums.net/threads/phillips-speedmasters.83699/
Interesting chat about this one in particular in the thread above I am sure you saw, and the pre-dated papers/extract. If 'production date' = 'money received for watch date' I can imagine a lot of folks wont be too happy, as that raises many questions on the whole 'production date - extract process' (already raised with the Ultraman thing), as most certainly most folks are more interested in when their watches were produced vs when their watches were paid for...
Actually, I didn't read it, I can't spend as much time on forums as I used to.
Of course not, seems like as a pivate person they dont provide these information. It was hard enough to get anything from them when they canceled the exctract 😉
What I don't understand is that until now every research of SN and databases like ilovemyspeedmaster worked on the basis that the chronological order of the serials matches the chronology of the delivery / production date. Or did I missed something?
Nico
No problem. Some of our hawk-eyed members pointed out that the papers/booklet were from the -69 era 👍
Interesting. But I only tend to believe these things once they have been confirmed. That also still makes the payment date the one that has been written into the old books. If the booklet has been tampered with, it will become a mess to sort out who's to blame and what the impact on the price might be.
