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  1. Steve1haggart Apr 5, 2015

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    Question for Easter sunday . How many speedmaster's did Omega produce before the moon-landing on the 20/07/1969 ?
    Look forward to your comments
     
  2. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Apr 5, 2015

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    Hey Steve,

    MSNWatch made this comment on another thread recently.

    " The speedmaster numbers are relatively low and for the 2915 and 2998 models come to about 12,000 total - about 1,000 for each of the 11 different iterations over about 5 years or so."

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/the-irony-of-speedy-price-increases.23688/#post-259769

    That gets you to about '62. I don't have my MWO book handy for the rest.. I'm sure others will have more info.
     
  3. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 5, 2015

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    You've got 68s and 69s in there too, its hard to tell really, its not that low a number though
     
  4. Steve1haggart Apr 5, 2015

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    Food for thought ! Started looking the other night for a number ,but there's to much conflicting info to get a true number .
     
  5. Barking mad Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 5, 2015

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    MWO (The bible) estimates that approx 80,000-85,000 Speedmasters with the 321 movement were produced.
     
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  6. Bienne2998 Apr 6, 2015

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    Well that's not really rare, is it? So there must still be a lot of DON bezels around (where we have seen a big inflation recently)
     
  7. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 6, 2015

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    A lot of watches claimed to be rare tend not to be, the most hilarious one I find is the Rolex R series porcelain dial Daytona, I've heard owners claim 20 were made, 35 were made and 50 were made, yet I know two guys that own them and a dealer that has two just in Brisbane, so that's four in a city most people outside of AU haven't heard of, and there are always several for sale at any given time.

    http://www.nbtimes.co/portfolio/rolex-16520-mk1-porcelain-daytona-r-serial/
     
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  8. Barking mad Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 6, 2015

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    If you break it down to number of iterations it could make for low volumes for some series. Consider eight iterations of the 2998 alone:)
     
  9. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 6, 2015

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    Then even within a series they break down further, you've got 105.012-66HF, 105.012-66CB, 105.002-62 alpha hands, 105.002-62 stick hands etc
     
  10. Bienne2998 Apr 6, 2015

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    Yes, you are all correct with your comments. I totally agree with the first references. But let's see 145.012 - according to MWO there is an estimation of 27-28'000 pieces. That's not too rare, but still there the prices are rising.
     
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  11. Andy K Dreaming about winning an OFfie one day. Apr 6, 2015

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    I wonder how many 321s of that 85k are really left? A certain percentage have been tossed away or lost, some have been cannibalized for parts, some have been damaged beyond repair, some have lost most of their desirability due to incorrect replacement parts, etc. I don't know enough to even hazard a guess, but of those 85k how many are even in "running" condition or better according to the Speedmaster101 chart? And of that subset, I suspect the majority have already been discovered by collectors, dealers, and enthusiasts. Very few are left in the family of the original owner waiting for me to find at market value or below.
     
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  12. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 6, 2015

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    The stress on 321 movement supplies is predominantly being borne by Seamaster chronographs and non-Seamaster chronos. It doesn't help their cause that the Seamasters have dials that are far more vulnerable to damage from moisture or corrision than Speedmaster dials which are actually extremely resilient compared to light coloured Omega dials of the era.

    Speedmasters also tend to be very durable pieces that lasted a long time so I doubt many were ever thrown out or dumped, they probably have one of the best survival rates of the 50s/60s.

    *No gold to be melted for its scrap value
    *No parts compatible watch is superior to or more valuable than the Speedmaster
    *No serious fragility issues in their early life and quite good resilience to climate (once again compared to light dials this is extremely true)

    My watchmaker joked about 321 Speedmasters being Omega's ultimate "apex predator", they never get cannibalised except for other Speedmasters, and are always on the receiving end of donor parts.
     
  13. Andy K Dreaming about winning an OFfie one day. Apr 6, 2015

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    Excellent point and I agree that compared to other watches of the era they have a better survival rate for all those reasons. But I just wonder how many have been simply lost. I doubt many were intentionally thrown out or dumped, but 50+ years is a mighty long time to keep track of an item. I remember going through all of my grandfather's stuff after he passed and having trouble locating all of his WWII medals. He and the whole family had been very proud of them and we had done our best (so we thought) to keep them in safe places, but after a few moves and a few times when the bank branch where his deposit box was closed some of that stuff just disappeared.
     
  14. Buck2466 Apr 6, 2015

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    I wonder how many have been sitting in drawers for 30-50 years and the owners have no idea what they have or have forgotten about them.
     
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