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·How did seller describe watch? What was return policy? If sale was “as is” and “no return” and not misreprented then it’s hard to justify return based on buyer remorse, particularly if already shipped.
But EB is skewed toward buyer. If I was seller and hadn’t shipped yet I would probably just cancel sale to avoid likely complaint that would end in buyers favor to avoid the hassle.
Keep in mind many here are sellers as well and have experience from that side.
It wasn't mentioned an special conditions about return.
I made purchase and right after that asked for opinions here, so this item was sonl an two hours ago and it couldn't be shipped - it still on seller's table.
I got additional info from seller (by chat):
Je n'ai pas d'autres photos, j'ai déjà emballé la montre pour l'envoyer.C'est une montre fin année 60 offerte à l'époux de ma tante par son demi-frère Suisse.Elle sort de l'horloger entièrement révisée. Le verre a été remplacé et elle fonctionne parfaitement. / I have no other photos, I have already thrilled the watch to send it. It is a watch in late 60 for 60 to my aunt's husband by her Swiss half-brother. She gets out of the fully revised watchmaker. The glass has been replaced and it works perfectly.
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·Ok, guys, let's close this for now - I'll keep this watch and let's all goes as it should.
Let's wait and see..
Thank you all! 👍
Let's wait and see..
Thank you all! 👍
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SOG53
·Good luck let us know with photos when it arrives. You might be pleasantly surprised
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·Hi guys.
I got my watch yesterday, here are some shots:
I got my watch yesterday, here are some shots:
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Risto
·Beautiful
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·Ok a very nice surprise!
145.012-68 best result a nice clean looking 321 movement with 1 service mark inside Caseback
SN in correct range
145-012-68 and -67 are identical. I think the -68 is rarer
DON Bezel has some wear but decent, alignment corrected
Dial has some lume loss I can’t tell if lume present UV light will help
Hands are orig with typical darkened lume, straight end sweep correct for this ref
1 pusher may be replacement
Crown 32 tooth some say could be orig others say no.
Some polishing not terrible
1171/633 not original but many love it and has value
Overall presents as an original watch which is consistent and very wearable in present condition
You can take your time and consider relume down the road but would probably want to do hands as well for consistency. I wouldn’t rush into it.
I think you did well and have a great wearable 321 Speedy!!! congrats
145.012-68 best result a nice clean looking 321 movement with 1 service mark inside Caseback
SN in correct range
145-012-68 and -67 are identical. I think the -68 is rarer
DON Bezel has some wear but decent, alignment corrected
Dial has some lume loss I can’t tell if lume present UV light will help
Hands are orig with typical darkened lume, straight end sweep correct for this ref
1 pusher may be replacement
Crown 32 tooth some say could be orig others say no.
Some polishing not terrible
1171/633 not original but many love it and has value
Overall presents as an original watch which is consistent and very wearable in present condition
You can take your time and consider relume down the road but would probably want to do hands as well for consistency. I wouldn’t rush into it.
I think you did well and have a great wearable 321 Speedy!!! congrats
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Dan S
·The good news is that it is the best-case scenario from the perspective of all the references it could have been from the photos in the listing. The bad news, of course, is the condition, with the washed dial and poorly polished case. However, I believe that was accurately factored into the price and you did ok from a value perspective. So it's really just a matter of whether the watch gives you joy in-person.
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Davidt
·So good and bad news;
The reference is a plus but the case condition appears worse than expected/hoped from the initial photos.
This is sometimes what you find when gambling with vintage watches with poor pictures but it’s also the best way to find a diamond in the rough. Win some and lose some.
The reference is a plus but the case condition appears worse than expected/hoped from the initial photos.
This is sometimes what you find when gambling with vintage watches with poor pictures but it’s also the best way to find a diamond in the rough. Win some and lose some.
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··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderI think its a pretty good buy given the circumstances. I would not send it back, as the true learning experience, and understanding of the watch will come with ownership.
If you send it back then you will only learn half the lesson.
As a naive buyer you took a risk, and I really would worry about the money - the test is to see if there is another for a similar price. There is not. This watch has a history, and has not been through a dealer.
I think the pushers might need sorting out, they dont look right, but this is something you will come to understand through ownership.
The -68 is indeed rare, but not added value (at the moment!)
The dial, bezel and case all match in condition, and as a whole I like the watch, as it is a price and condition that begs to be daily worn
If you send it back then you will only learn half the lesson.
As a naive buyer you took a risk, and I really would worry about the money - the test is to see if there is another for a similar price. There is not. This watch has a history, and has not been through a dealer.
I think the pushers might need sorting out, they dont look right, but this is something you will come to understand through ownership.
The -68 is indeed rare, but not added value (at the moment!)
The dial, bezel and case all match in condition, and as a whole I like the watch, as it is a price and condition that begs to be daily worn
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Risto
·And it is easy to wear in this condition as daily. I would not wear mint Speedy. This is good. You will write your history to it.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I think its a pretty good buy given the circumstances. I would not send it back, as the true learning experience, and understanding of the watch will come with ownership.
If you send it back then you will only learn half the lesson.
As a naive buyer you took a risk, and I really would worry about the money - the test is to see if there is another for a similar price. There is not. This watch has a history, and has not been through a dealer.
I think the pushers might need sorting out, they dont look right, but this is something you will come to understand through ownership.
The -68 is indeed rare, but not added value (at the moment!)
The dial, bezel and case all match in condition, and as a whole I like the watch, as it is a price and condition that begs to be daily worn
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·Ok a very nice surprise!
145.012-68 best result a nice clean looking 321 movement with 1 service mark inside Caseback
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I think you did well and have a great wearable 321 Speedy!!! congrats
Need to think about reluming - I'm not sure still.
Thank you!
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·The good news is that it is the best-case scenario from the perspective of all the references it could have been from the photos in the listing. The bad news, of course, is the condition, with the washed dial and poorly polished case. However, I believe that was accurately factored into the price and you did ok from a value perspective. So it's really just a matter of whether the watch gives you joy in-person.
I really like these Speedys - they are not as bad as they could be. )
The watch case looks better in real life than in my pictures.
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·So good and bad news;
The reference is a plus but the case condition appears worse than expected/hoped from the initial photos.
This is sometimes what you find when gambling with vintage watches with poor pictures but it’s also the best way to find a diamond in the rough. Win some and lose some.
And you are right about gem search..
You know, case isn't too bad - it's a matter of my phone camera's shots processing..
David, thank you..
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·I think its a pretty good buy given the circumstances. I would not send it back, as the true learning experience, and understanding of the watch will come with ownership.
If you send it back then you will only learn half the lesson.
As a naive buyer you took a risk, and I really would worry about the money - the test is to see if there is another for a similar price. There is not. This watch has a history, and has not been through a dealer.
I think the pushers might need sorting out, they dont look right, but this is something you will come to understand through ownership.
The -68 is indeed rare, but not added value (at the moment!)
The dial, bezel and case all match in condition, and as a whole I like the watch, as it is a price and condition that begs to be daily worn
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bazelot
·it says in the seller's description that the watch just had a service and the crystal was replaced. if that is the case that adds a good $800 in value. $4600 for a 145.012 on bracelet is as sweet deal. congrats on a great deal and good solid wearer.
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hansaboy
·Congrats on your first Speedy (I assume..)!!👍
Use the watch and enjoy it, there is no need to rush in to anything right now.
Keep on studying about Speedys, read posts here on the Forum, and also contribute with posts and questions.
You have already got info about this lovely website:
https://speedmaster101.com/
The author of the website (@Spacefruit ) has made tons of videos also!
Since you kindly wrote the price, this reflects the comments that you receive - and you did well!
👍👍👍
Use the watch and enjoy it, there is no need to rush in to anything right now.
Keep on studying about Speedys, read posts here on the Forum, and also contribute with posts and questions.
You have already got info about this lovely website:
https://speedmaster101.com/
The author of the website (@Spacefruit ) has made tons of videos also!
Since you kindly wrote the price, this reflects the comments that you receive - and you did well!
👍👍👍
