Speedmaster reduced - waste of money or go for it ?

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Thanks for the corrections Archer. So much to learn... 👎
 
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I would take information on blogs like this with a grain of salt, since most of the people writing these blogs don't have a lot of technical knowledge.

OP - I would also listen keenly to @Archer . While there are definitely some well versed OF members who post great insights, after lurking around the OF for a couple years now, I have found Archer's posts to be some of the most helpful. Always based on practical, hands on experience and facts and patient with us newbies.
 
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Some inaccuracies in that article...

First off the claim that "Most people use an independent watchmaker who will simply replace the chronograph module, rather than service it." This makes it sound like you can call up the local "Modules-R-Us" location and get a 1/2 dozen DD modules for servicing those reduced watches at the drop of a hat. Not the case at all as Omega doesn't sell modules for this purpose. What happens in most cases is that the independent watchmaker services the base movement only, and doesn't service or replace the module...they just remove it, set it aside, and put it back on after servicing the 2892 portion of the movement. You are typically only getting 1/2 the job done in these cases. Although there are people who will service the module, they are not around every corner.

Second, the author is grouping the "reduced" models with the "automatic" models, at one time saying this:

"The modern iteration of the Reduced / Automatic is called the “Speedmaster 38 Co-Axial Chronograph” and this "The modern version of the Speedmaster Automatic (Reduced) can easily be identified by a date window at 6-o’clock."

The Speedmaster Automatic is not in any way the same as a "reduced" model, as the Speedmaster Automatics use some version of the ETA 7750 in them, which is a fully integrated automatic chronograph, not a modular chronograph.

I would take information on blogs like this with a grain of salt, since most of the people writing these blogs don't have a lot of technical knowledge.

Cheers, Al


I’m not sure English is his first language. He also made this statement.

Using stacked modules instead of in-house movements isn’t a new concept. Rolex has used Zenith movements in Daytonas until recently. Audemars Piguet stacked sourced complications in modules on top of base movements for years as well. Nobody seems to care. So why should we care about the Speedmaster Reduced?

While it’s a correct sentence it seems to imply the El Premero in the Daytona is a module movement.

His statement about the 38mm being the successor seems to imply it’s a similar movement and a reduced it can be read the other way.

There is other bad info in that don’t get me wrong, it’s not a great article, just something I noticed.
 
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My watchmaker in San Diego services the DD module and does not charge extra for it. Maybe its a bit more time consuming, but hardly a deal breaker IMO if the issue is servicing.

I've found the 7750 Speedy Autos having far more issues than the Reduced when I get them, so anecdote about reliability (most of the time its the day corrector). I move several hundred Reduced and close to a hundred Speedy autos a year so its a reasonably sized statistic.
 
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While it’s a correct sentence it seems to imply the El Premero in the Daytona is a module movement.

His statement about the 38mm being the successor seems to imply it’s a similar movement and a reduced it can be read the other way.

There is other bad info in that don’t get me wrong, it’s not a great article, just something I noticed.

I have no idea if there is a language barrier or not, but certainly not giving accurate information the way it reads to me...
 
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My watchmaker in San Diego services the DD module and does not charge extra for it. Maybe its a bit more time consuming, but hardly a deal breaker IMO if the issue is servicing.

Omega charges the same for this watch as they do for the 7750 based models. People often state that these are "more expensive" to service, and IMO that's not true. However what is absolutely true is that you will have far fewer servicing options with a reduced than you will with a 7750 based version. For some that may be a deal breaker, and for others not.

I've found the 7750 Speedy Autos having far more issues than the Reduced when I get them, so anecdote about reliability (most of the time its the day corrector). I move several hundred Reduced and close to a hundred Speedy autos a year so its a reasonably sized statistic.

The 7750 and it's variants are some of the most robust and reliable movements out there, and in my opinion there's absolutely no doubt they have fewer problems than the modular movements do. You've mentioned the 1151/7751 day corrector a couple of times, and if it is the actual corrector that presses into the side of the case, that's not really a movement issue. I've seen correctors damaged by mishandling during service, but generally I've not found them to be a problem.

If it's the day corrector system in the movement, I've never had an issue with that system...

Cheers, Al
 
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My 2cs.

If you really want the Pro, save a bit longer and get what you really desire.

If you wanna scratch the Omega itch on the cheap, I would rather go with a Mark 40. As mentioned, its caliber is based on the Valjoux 7750/7751 which is a reliable workhorse and relatively easy to find a watchmaker that will properly service it.

The Dubois-Depraz add-on chronograph module increases the cost-of-ownership of the watch in longer term.
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Thanks guys for the input, I guess I am gonna try the reduced as I feel it is more of my size after I tried both. But worsed case I will sell it 😀
 
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The 7750 and it's variants are some of the most robust and reliable movements out there, and in my opinion there's absolutely no doubt they have fewer problems than the modular movements do. You've mentioned the 1151/7751 day corrector a couple of times, and if it is the actual corrector that presses into the side of the case, that's not really a movement issue. I've seen correctors damaged by mishandling during service, but generally I've not found them to be a problem.

If it's the day corrector system in the movement, I've never had an issue with that system...

Cheers, Al
I'm pretty sure you're 100% correct about that - ie. its the corrector not the movement. But from an owner's perspective, I know very few watchmakers who will do a "spot fix" i.e. "pls fix the corrector pusher but don't service the watch", so more often than not a fault in the pusher leads to a complete service of the watch
 
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I'm pretty sure you're 100% correct about that - ie. its the corrector not the movement. But from an owner's perspective, I know very few watchmakers who will do a "spot fix" i.e. "pls fix the corrector pusher but don't service the watch", so more often than not a fault in the pusher leads to a complete service of the watch

But the same would apply to a faulty chronograph pusher or faulty crown, and those are far more common issues than a faulty corrector. The correctors themselves are incredibly simple devices - the most common issue with them is damage during service in my experience, and even then problems with them are quite rare. I have a bunch here that I purchased that have sat in my stock for 5+ years...and I service a lot of these watches.

So if there are problems with the watches you are buying, and this is a common fault, I can only speculate that maybe the watches you are buying have not been looked after all that well, or have been serviced by people in the past who have not taken proper care when installing the movement in the case and pressing the case back on...that is typically when the corrector gets damaged.

Cheers, Al
 
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But the same would apply to a faulty chronograph pusher or faulty crown, and those are far more common issues than a faulty corrector. The correctors themselves are incredibly simple devices - the most common issue with them is damage during service in my experience, and even then problems with them are quite rare. I have a bunch here that I purchased that have sat in my stock for 5+ years...and I service a lot of these watches.

So if there are problems with the watches you are buying, and this is a common fault, I can only speculate that maybe the watches you are buying have not been looked after all that well, or have been serviced by people in the past who have not taken proper care when installing the movement in the case and pressing the case back on...that is typically when the corrector gets damaged.

Cheers, Al
The corrector issue is usually that it does not spring back into place or does so very slowly, not "damaged" but more of a dirt and wear issue I imagine. I see this a lot more than stuck chrono pushers. Maybe I'm a bit more picky than most, but watches with issues like this I usually send back (fun statistic - I send back about 25% of watches that I buy in bulk for not passing my internal QC).
 
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The corrector issue is usually that it does not spring back into place or does so very slowly, not "damaged" but more of a dirt and wear issue I imagine. I see this a lot more than stuck chrono pushers. Maybe I'm a bit more picky than most, but watches with issues like this I usually send back (fun statistic - I send back about 25% of watches that I buy in bulk for not passing my internal QC).

I see stuck chronograph pushers all the time, so clearly we are seeing very different things...
 
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I think it is worth to wait and go for a real moonwatch!