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Speedmaster production and serial numbers from the MOONWATCH ONLY website

  1. uwsearch

    uwsearch Jun 6, 2017

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  2. mr_yossarian

    mr_yossarian Jun 6, 2017

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    wow...just wow. Immortality to the Authors, hail them!
     
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  3. sky21

    sky21 Jun 6, 2017

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  4. lowen

    lowen Moonwatch Only Author Jun 6, 2017

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    Thank you so much @uwsearch for posting this.
    We are very pleased to share this information with all of you.
    As we have mentioned in the article, all these data have been duly verified and are based exclusively on our research.
    Hope it will be of interest.

    Cheers.

    Anthony
     
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  5. fibonacci086

    fibonacci086 Jun 6, 2017

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    Brillant !
    A million thanks for keeping the speedmaster knowledge feed alive !
    Looking forward to meeting you again !
     
  6. nixf6

    nixf6 Jun 6, 2017

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    Fantastic.Many thanks.
     
  7. Vulffi

    Vulffi Jun 6, 2017

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    Very interesting ! Thank you for posting this !
     
  8. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Jun 6, 2017

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    Thank you.
    Always a pleasure Marc.
     
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  9. michaelmc

    michaelmc Jun 6, 2017

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    Accolades to the authors, wonderful to have so much information. m
     
  10. Nathan1967

    Nathan1967 Jun 6, 2017

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    I agree, whole heartedly, with the comments here. I'm late to the party, but copy of MWO is on order. I'm actually quite surprised at how low some of the production numbers are by reference.
    The $64m question for me is : By reference no. Of the total production of 321 cal. Speedmasters how many are still in existence today?
     
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  11. Wryfox

    Wryfox Jun 6, 2017

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    HOLY COW. This is solid Gold info.

    So I calculated a *very rough* estimate to show how collectible the premoons are...

    Omega production today approx 800,000 units. Lets conservatively say half are Speedmasters...400,000

    Total 321 Speedmasters: ~80,000

    Annual production of Omega Speedmasters today is 5 times that of 13yrs of 321 speedies combined.

    Since these were tool watches back then, but not so much today, survivability is much lower for 60s era than recent manufacture, not just based on rough use, but also time elapsed (50 years)

    Lets say 50% survival rate over past 50 years for 321 Speedies: 40,000 total survive today.

    Even rougher estimate of % of 321 speedies to total population:

    I put together a spreadsheet estimating total speedy production (to date, extrapolating backwards to 1970 from 2016), times a survival rate of avg 80%. I come up with ~8,000,000.

    40,000/8,000,000 = 0.5% of total population, or 1 in 200 in existence. Not exact of course, but probably in the ballpark.

    This was literally a 10 minute exercise, just to show rough relative rarity of 321 speedies. In reality, my guess would be total production of speedy varieties is likely less due to the dip in all mechanical watches in 80s/early 90s. BUT, 321 may have a lower survival rate so the ratio is still probably pretty close.
     
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  12. melanieux

    melanieux Jun 6, 2017

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    And from a design standpoint, a very nice looking website, too!
     
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  13. dennisthemenace

    dennisthemenace Hey, he asked for it! Jun 6, 2017

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    I've no idea where you're getting your figures from, but I wouldn't think that Speedmaster Pro. numbers are even 5% of Omegas total annual production, let alone 50%
     
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  14. oddboy

    oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Jun 6, 2017

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  15. SpeedyPhill

    SpeedyPhill Jun 7, 2017

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    Indeed, data mining stuff to be added to the next edition of the MoonWatchOnly bible ::book::
     
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  16. nonuffinkbloke

    nonuffinkbloke Jun 7, 2017

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    Yes great thread @uwsearch.:thumbsup: and can I join everyone else in thanking the authors of MWO for their amazing work.

    Some of the posts here got me wondering about the number of these old watches that have survived over the last 50 or 60 years???

    Yes... It would be nice to know the answer to that question @Nathan1967 . Additional, more specific, questions I would like to know the answer to are as follows:

    Question A) How many 105.012 reference Speedmasters are left out of the 24, 000 to 24,500 that were produced?

    Chrono24 is advertising 312679 watches in 96 countries.
    60887 are Rolex watches.
    19361 are Omega watches.

    3461 are Omega Speedmaster watches.
    1 is an 105.002 reference watch.
    22 are 105.003 reference watches.
    24 are 105.012 reference watches.
    22 are 145.012 reference watches.
    122 are 145.022 reference watches.
    (Of particular interest to me)
    2 are tropical/brown dial 105.012 reference Speedmasters.
    Just 2 of them!..... out of 312679 watches for sale! Where are all the others?

    Question B) How many 105.012 reference Speedmasters are there remaining that are genuine, in good condition and have attractive, naturally occurring brown dials.

    Now, in my humble opinion, (however pretty they are) at approx $23k & $27k, the two watches on Chrono24 appear to be some what overpriced.:eek: The fact remains, out of 312679 watches for sale on that website, only 2 of them are brown dial, 105.012 Omega Speedmasters.

    So.... are they rare?.... overrated?... not being sold on Chrono24?... or are you all hiding them away until 2019?:D
     
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  17. Amaza

    Amaza Jun 7, 2017

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    Great work. To be honest, I was a bit disappointed since I bought the MWO first edition few weeks before the new edition was announced. But now I start to think it may even be worth to own the two versions. Any advice from those of you which owned both?
     
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  18. Vulffi

    Vulffi Jun 7, 2017

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    I sold the old one :)
     
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  19. davidswiss

    davidswiss Jun 7, 2017

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    Many thanks for that. Really useful.
     
  20. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jun 7, 2017

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    This:


    Actually I gave mine away.
     
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