Speedmaster Moonwatch 321 Platinum

Archer · Jul 26, 2019

eugeneandresson
... I knew you were going to comment in some way...I honestly even started to write 'I bet Archer will comment on this' but then erased it ...

You push a specific narrative, and I push back. It is the way of forums mate.

You clearly have a lot more faith in the word of these people than I do. I have no idea if you are a part of the watch industry or not, but if not that's probably why you have more faith than I do. I've seen lots of things promised over the years, but I've learned the hard way that promises can be very empty. So although you have repeated the same line about the 321 parts many times now, I will believe it when I can place an order for a new hammer spring and have it in my hands...

I'm hoping you are right, but I'm not selling off my current supply of hammer springs any time soon.

Archer · Jul 26, 2019

queriver
@Archer Do you think one reason Omega is creating the 321 manufacture might be that it will serve the dual purpose of being a training centre for apprentices working alongside Omega’s most senior watchmakers who will make the 321s? That would seem to make sense.

People like to make out that the 321 is some mind-bendingly complex movement to work on, and that "recreating" it requires "scans" of old watches. This is pure marking bullshit.

It's a pretty standard manual wind chronograph movement, that in the range of complexity (1 being the simplest and 10 being the most complicated) rates a 3.5 out of 10 maybe. Watchmakers all over the world service and repair these every day. In fact watchmakers in Bienne service these all the time. So the narrative that this requires some specialized "team" of master watchmakers, is again just marketing BS.

It would be infinitely more easy to put together a brand new 321 with new parts, than it is to take an old worn out 321 and get it back running as it should. Being one of the watchmakers to assemble the new 321's would be a gravy job...

Cheers, Al

Evitzee · Jul 26, 2019

Civic4982
$60k is hilarious for a Speedy in platinum on leather.

Can’t wait to see what the discount is.

There’s a lot of fancy precious metal and top end watches to compete against at that price point.

As for $20k for an SS 321. Not even sure what magic 8 ball was used to randomize a number out of thin air and stick to it if was written in stone brought down by Moses himself.

Those same arguments were used for the 50th LE, 'too many produced', 'too expensive', 'they'll sit in dealer's stock for years', 'they'll be heavily discounted'. Instead, they probably could have sold 10,000 and $10k was not too high.

Let's just calm down and see what Omega has in mind. One thing is certain, they aren't taking their production numbers and pricing cues from the mob here.

EricCsN · Jul 26, 2019

Evitzee
Those same arguments were used for the 50th LE, 'too many produced', 'too expensive', 'they'll sit in dealer's stock for years', 'they'll be heavily discounted'. Instead, they probably could have sold 10,000 and $10k was not too high.

Let's just calm down and see what Omega has in mind. One thing is certain, they aren't taking their cues from the mob here.

Omega would have a pretty good idea from the data of the sales that poured in, the velocity of the orders and from the length of the waiting lists that were collected from each of their OB and AD sites to form some opinions with the LE sales. For the 50th LE it was quite extra ordinary. I was able to sniff at the numbers at one OB : it was mind boggling and that was on the official first day of advert. There weren't any left and they couldn't take me into their list as they had a 100 people on the waiting list positioned for someone to give up their place. Luckily I had managed to jump onto another OB in time to put a deposit for one.

anselmw · Jul 26, 2019

EricCsN
Omega would have a pretty good idea from the data of the sales that poured in, the velocity of the orders and from the length of the waiting lists that were collected from each of their OB and AD sites to form some opinions with the LE sales. For the 50th LE it was quite extra ordinary. I was able to sniff at the numbers at one OB : it was mind boggling and that was on the official first day of advert. There weren't any left and they couldn't take me into their list as they had a 100 people on the waiting list positioned for someone to give up their place. Luckily I had managed to jump onto another OB in time to put a deposit for one.

I still wonder how many of these went to real collectors vs flippers.

WatchTimes · Jul 26, 2019

In general other than the Snoopy models my interest is more in the 60's-early 80's Speed and Sea Masters
I do actually like this, the subdials are really nice!

rominvicta · Jul 26, 2019

Evitzee
Those same arguments were used for the 50th LE, 'too many produced', 'too expensive', 'they'll sit in dealer's stock for years', 'they'll be heavily discounted'. Instead, they probably could have sold 10,000 and $10k was not too high.

Let's just calm down and see what Omega has in mind. One thing is certain, they aren't taking their production numbers and pricing cues from the mob here.

Just, to the opposite, they carefully listen and read to what people on this forum say. And make their conclusions. Sometimes opinions here contradict each other, lets say a bit oxymoronic. ::stirthepot::

rominvicta · Jul 26, 2019

EricCsN
Omega would have a pretty good idea from the data of the sales that poured in, the velocity of the orders and from the length of the waiting lists that were collected from each of their OB and AD sites to form some opinions with the LE sales. For the 50th LE it was quite extra ordinary. I was able to sniff at the numbers at one OB : it was mind boggling and that was on the official first day of advert. There weren't any left and they couldn't take me into their list as they had a 100 people on the waiting list positioned for someone to give up their place. Luckily I had managed to jump onto another OB in time to put a deposit for one.

Tophership · Jul 26, 2019

P pongster
That has an all platinum bracelet also.

Not that I'm ever going to own one but based on those figures it makes me wonder if they're going to have a bracket option for this and how much that would kick up the price.

I'm with you guys though I would be stunned if this went for anything less that 60k, I guess a big part of that will depend on exclusivity too though.

Martin_J_N · Jul 27, 2019

rominvicta
Just, to the opposite, they carefully listen and read to what people on this forum say. And make their conclusions. Sometimes opinions here contradict each other, lets say a bit oxymoronic.

Sorry, I didn't realise that you had an 'in' to Omega and know what they are thinking, impressive 😗

rominvicta · Jul 27, 2019

Northernman · Aug 5, 2019

Martin_J_N
If my little grey cells are functioning correctly and they probably aren't, I thought that I heard/read somewhere that Breguet had the movement, Omega asked Breguet to make the movement for them, but Breguet couldn't make the quantities Omega wanted so at that point Omega took the decision to go in-house with the movement.

I'm sort of sure that this is what happened, possibly. 😀

The production of the CH27/321 was always with Lemania.
Nouvelle Lemania was renamed "Manufacture Breguet" when Swatch Group/Hayek resurrected Breguet in the late 1990s.
The old Lemania production plant is now home to Breguet.
Breguet still uses the CH27 base movement in several chronograph designs.

As for the "new" cal 321 I do not know the details of production, and I guess we may not be told it all either?!
Loads of marketing going into this by Omega, and telling a "good story" is very much a part of it.
As pointed out by, amongst others, @Archer, the 321/CH27 is not a very complex nor particularly unique movement from a technical point of view.
It does however have a story to tell, and that is worth a lot in PR/marketing, and Omega is doing a big job translating the story into cold cash.

MTROIS · Aug 17, 2019

Had the privilege of handling this stunning watch yesterday... so here are a few pics of the beauty.

It is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS... photos can't do it justice: depth of the black onyx dial, heft of the Pt case, beauty of a cal 321 to be seen through open case back (can't believe I forgot to take a pic!!! Was too smitten by it that I lost my means.... 🙄)

EricCsN · Aug 17, 2019

Saw the above and so immediately went to YouTube to watch a video on it. The narration (in the YouTube) was unbelievable - pure magic.

Plein · Aug 17, 2019

MTROIS
Had the privilege of handling this stunning watch yesterday... so here are a few pics of the beauty.

It is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS... photos can't do it justice: depth of the black onyx dial, heft of the Pt case, beauty of a cal 321 to be seen through open case back (can't believe I forgot to take a pic!!! Was too smitten by it that I lost my means.... 🙄)

Look pretty close to Soyuz.

drhex · Aug 17, 2019

Soyuz does have way less contrast. This watch looks much better.

snarkq · Aug 17, 2019

I have to think this will increase the cost of the existing Moonwatch with meteorite subdials. Looks almost identical. Wish I picked one of those up earlier.

Plein · Aug 18, 2019

drhex
Soyuz does have way less contrast. This watch looks much better.

I had two Soyuz in the past.One I kept and really love it till now.Another sold cost it less contrast as you said that made me feels nothing special .I think this platinum321 going the same way due to one of a kind sub dial issue.

Taneleer · Aug 19, 2019

Would there be any reason for them to put out a more affordable 321 without all of the extra bells, whistles, and plat?

drhex · Aug 19, 2019

There should be one in steel as well is what I heard.

Speedmaster Moonwatch 321 Platinum

Archer

Archer

Evitzee

EricCsN

anselmw

WatchTimes

rominvicta

rominvicta

Tophership

Martin_J_N

rominvicta

Northernman

MTROIS

EricCsN

Plein

drhex

snarkq

Plein

Taneleer

drhex

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