Speedmaster Extract. Production Date?

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Yes, definitely a possibility.

The main question at this point is why then would most resources claim this serial as in the “correct” range for a 74.

Well the serial could have been correct for a '74 I guess but not the date of production. The date of production and the serial number don't always correlate well.
 
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Well the serial could have been correct for a '74 I guess but not the date of production. The date of production and the serial number don't always correlate well.
Right, so it means that when my movement was produced, they were still 3 or more years away from producing a movements with even earlier serial numbers. If that is indeed the situation, then that has an impact on how we date any of these watches. More or less, you can’t assume that a movement is correct to the watch without an extract, then.
 
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Right, so it means that when my movement was produced, they were still 3 or more years away from producing a movements with even earlier serial numbers. If that is indeed the situation, then that has an impact on how we date any of these watches. More or less, you can’t assume that a movement is correct to the watch without an extract, then.

No, I think all these movements in this serial range were made prior to '71. Then some of these movements were built into '74 watches later on. The movements were not used chronologically.... The date of production is the date of the production of the final complete watch. The bit about not knowing whether the movement is correct for the watch without an extract I agree with. Even with an extract you can't be sure if all parts have been replaced with period-correct parts.
 
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No, I think all these movements in this serial range were made prior to '71. Then some of these movements were built into '74 watches later on. The movements were not used chronologically.... The date of production is the date of the production of the final complete watch. The bit about not knowing whether the movement is correct for the watch without an extract I agree with. Even with an extract you can't be sure if all parts have been replaced with period-correct parts.
I see what you're saying now. Definitely the most plausible solution to this situation. At the very least, this means that we can't assume that a movement is correct for a specific reference with much certainty without obtaining an extract... I can swallow that. Which seems to mean that I need to find myself a correct 71 step dial and case back 😁

From my understanding the microfilm records at the Omega archives shows the date of "production" (aka assembly - the date on the extract), but also frequently shows the date that the movement was delivered to Omega which is not put on the extract. If this is the case, then there ought to be a fair amount of examples on the microfilm of movements that were delivered, but not assembled for several years. I wonder if this is something that @lowen & @speedy4ever or others were able to observe during research. That would give an answer as to why most sources cite 31.312.xxx as an technically acceptable number for a 74, while some numbers even higher than that are not - as is the case in my example.
 
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Kind of beating a dead horse with this one, but wanted to share for anyone still following along with this, or might search for it in the future regarding a similar situation.

I contacted Greg / @speedy4ever and asked about this (we had already been talking about this, if it's not too douchey share: http://www.moonwatchonly.com/omega-...nterviews/12-questions-only-to-garron-dupree/ Useful if you want to get to know me a little). Greg agreed that the production date is not coherent with the reference, but said that there is another date which could be helpful for me or others in a similar situation, that date is the delivery/shipping date. This date exists in the archives but isn't put onto extracts, and it may be possible to obtain this date by contacting the Omega Museum. It would tell us if it was produced in '71, but not shipped until '75/'76. He mentioned a possible explanation as, "there was an enormous production in 1971, but sales could not follow and thus many remained at the factory. For some reasons the casebacks might have been updated before shipping..."

Of course, that could have been done by someone after the fact as well, but it would have taken a competent collector to get the parts correct, and seems like such a collector would have just found the true correct '71 parts instead. But crazier things have happened... Anyways, I'll do some poking around, since it's my own watch and it's interesting to me. I'll update if I find anything interesting. Does anyone have any advice for an Omega Museum contact? There is only a main phone number on the website.
 
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It would tell us if it was produced in '71, but not shipped until '75/'76. He mentioned a possible explanation as, "there was an enormous production in 1971, but sales could not follow and thus many remained at the factory. For some reasons the casebacks might have been updated before shipping..."

I really don't wanna appear too picky, but why would the dial have also been swapped prior to shipping? A 1971 - and this is more than broadly accepted, but confirmed and known - had the grace to come with a step dial.
 
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I know we are all trying to be polite here but isn't the most likely explanation that the watch is a Franken to a greater or lesser degree? A movement exchange into a -74 would be one explanation would it not?
 
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why would the dial have also been swapped prior to shipping?
In order to make them look like a ‘74 so that they could sell them as the new model instead of them sitting unsold or selling a then-outdated model.

I know we are all trying to be polite here but isn't the most likely explanation that the watch is a Franken to a greater or lesser degree?
Totally, I'm not sensitive to that likelihood. You’re probably right and at this point i’m likely just obsessing. But just in case someone anyone else finds themselves in the same situation and is equally obsessed... I continue on. If it was produced and shipped in ‘71, it would be known for a fact it wasn’t shipped with this dial or caseback and case closed. I was told there are at least 3 known examples of a 31.620.xxx SN not being shipped until '75 or '76. Happy to keep to myself. Perhaps it's not relevant to anyone else but myself at this point.
 
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In order to make them look like a ‘74 so that they could sell them as the new model instead of them sitting unsold or selling a then-outdated model
In order to keep my composure, I will leave this thread now...
 
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In order to keep my composure, I will leave this thread now...
Very sorry. I guess I misunderstood something. Didn't mean to offend. I see its not relevant to anyone else now. Cheers guys, see you around.
 
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Just to complement:

In our records, we have identified a lot of 145.022-69, -71 and -74 in the 31 million range. We had the opportunity to check DELIVERY date for some of them:

69x 145.022-69 -> all delivered between 1971 and 1973

31x 145.022-71 -> all delivered between 1971 and 1974

50x 145.022-74 -> all delivered between 1975 and 1976

Despite s/n in the same range, there is a clear correlation between caseback and delivery date. We have no proven explanation why the '74 have received the later dial.
 
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Just to complement:

In our records, we have identified a lot of 145.022-69, -71 and -74 in the 31 million range. We had the opportunity to check DELIVERY date for some of them:

69x 145.022-69 -> all delivered between 1971 and 1973

31x 145.022-71 -> all delivered between 1971 and 1974

50x 145.022-74 -> all delivered between 1975 and 1976

Despite s/n in the same range, there is a clear correlation between caseback and delivery date. We have no proven explanation why the '74 have received the later dial.

That's interesting. So the inside of the case-back (and not the serial number) correlates with the delivery date. This makes sense as they probably had quite a stock of movements which they didn't use chronologically. This makes it a bit difficult when buying a vintage Speedy because it's easy to change the case-back. An extract seems essential to be sure.