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  1. Michael Chop Nov 27, 2012

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    I ran across a Speedmaster 321 dated 1963. The serial number I found on it was 24014105 Iam unable to find any kind of list that puts the serial number to that year. Also it comes with 2 boxes one is white and hinged the other is black and white.
     
  2. CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter Nov 27, 2012

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    Look at the chronomaddox website or speedmaster-mission
     
  3. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 28, 2012

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    What reference is it ,Why do you say dated to 63? Is it a 105.0012-63? Have photos?
     
  4. Dash1 Nov 28, 2012

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    Don't forget the date tables are only accurate to +/ - 2 years. Photos would be helpful.
     
  5. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Nov 28, 2012

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    Speedmasters don't necessarily follow the normal serial number dating protocol of other Omega watches. Here is a link to a website that compiles information from a number of different sources:

    http://ialreadyhaveawatch.com/watch-articles/omega/omega-serial-numbers-by-year/

    Hope this helps,
    gatorcpa
     
  6. Michael Chop Nov 28, 2012

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    Here are a few pics of the watch
    omega2.jpg omega3.jpg omega4.jpg omega5.jpg omega1.jpg
     
  7. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 28, 2012

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    Second hand at the least is a replacement, as is the bezel by the looks.
     
  8. Ray916MN Nov 28, 2012

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  9. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Nov 28, 2012

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    bezels of both watches look like later replacements.
     
  10. Ray916MN Nov 28, 2012

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    Oops, missed the dot over 90 distinction.
     
  11. richardew Nov 29, 2012

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    Michael, your watch has service bezel - tall tachy, dot next to 90, next to 70. These were used from ~1969 until the mid 90s. The Maddox watch has a modern bezel. Dot next to 90, below 70, squat tachy with accent over the e.
     
  12. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 29, 2012

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    Really wish we still had Chuck around, I got into this after the man had passed sadly but always had tremendous respect for the man.
     
  13. richardew Nov 29, 2012

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    As far as serial numbers go, 24.014.028 and 24.014.108 are both 105.003-63s that were for sale at some point on ebay.
     
  14. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 29, 2012

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    Despite this being a -63, as 24014105 is right on the edge of the last 105.003 production, I would not count it out. Omega can be funny at times and this is during a time they were still producing 2-4 cal321 Speedys.
     
  15. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 29, 2012

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    Good report Richard. This information is still being fine tuned to this day.:thumbsup:

    I could see a scenario where a stack of 105.003-63 backs turns up on someones work bench and they just use them. Waste not.
     
  16. richardew Nov 29, 2012

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    I wish we knew what they did in the factory back then. It seems that they take a series of movements(24.014.xxx in this case) and manufacture a particular watch (105.003-63). There are just certain series of movements that went into the CK 2998, at least according to a post I read on the internet (must be true). Most of the 2998 s/n that I have fit this rule. I don't know which comes first, the cases then the movements or vice versa, but it doesn't seem that each watchmaker reaches into a bin and pulls out a movement for whatever watch they are making.
     
  17. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 29, 2012

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    I think it is likely (= utter speculation) that a staging worker pulls a series of cases, backs and movements etc and delivers them to the watch assembly point. But exactly how this was done is the 64,000 dollar question. Could new backs be stacked over old, placed in adjoining turnstiles, left back at the storeroom because they were on the back of the shelf??? Some older worker at Bienne or retired probably has the answer. Want to go to Switzerland?
     
  18. richardew Nov 29, 2012

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    I'm in. The website can fund the trip.
     
  19. Michael Chop Nov 29, 2012

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    If the bezel is later wouldn't it say Professional on it.
     
  20. richardew Nov 30, 2012

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    That's the dial. The bezel is the black ring that says tachymetre.